Friday, September 14, 2007

Two Sides Of The Coin




I was supposed to post Bishop Soc's draft letter as promised in a previous entry.

However, a well meaning and impassion plea from an anonymous email touched a nerve:

One thing I ask (I'd say BEG even) is that the draft letter of Bishop Soc Villegas NOT BE POSTED IN YOUR BLOG. Please avail to the Bishops REGARDLESS OF WHO THEY SYMPATHIZE OR AFFILIATE THEMSELVES WITH the respect that their office holds. We are treading on very thin ice when it comes to our mother the Church and the pastors she has called to serve us....please do not crack that ice just to make a point. Its not worth it. You can reveal the truth about FFL and the purity or impurity of their heart (believe it or not, I still believe they have hearts, a little hardened perhaps but it still beats for God) and the perverse manipulation of truth to make their point echo across the globe. HOWEVER, we do not need to stoop down to that level. God's truth is His truth for each one of us...His mission and call to each one of us is different...so lets seek it individually without destroying our relationship with His Church...and move collectively in whichever group He WILLS us to be.

I pray that both CFC and FFL will one day be able to worship together, will be able to heal, rich or poor, materially or spiritually; we are still ONE BODY in our Christ...and we serve never for our own, but...

In light of this totally unselfish request, I am refraining from posting Bishop Soc's draft letter for the meantime. I will, however, summarize it:

In short,

1. This draft letter was addressed to Cardinal Rosales.

2. It discusses details on how to go about a CFC/GK split.


Now, the Bishops have spoken, ostensibly, to put an end to the confusion.

Archbishop Lagdameo has said his piece...
(However, during the CBCP dialogue, of which he was panel member, he stated that he recognizes only one CfC in his archdiocese.)

Archbishop Arguelles released a decree...

Bishop Reyes released a paid ad in the Bulletin...


Now I'd like you all to watch Bishop Pacana's (another panel member of the CBCP dialogue) talk:


http://www.zshare.net/video/130829227f13c8c5/

or download HERE.


Now that the Bishops have made their moves, which pieces will follow next, the Knights or the Pawns?


Update/Edit:

Some of you are calling for a release of that draft letter. I'm praying about it and hope to discern the right thing to do soon.

Let me remind you all that while our focus here is on the truth and transparency, this site is NOT about the bishops and/or their actions. We are all human. Any one of us can be misled, if that was ever the case. There are times when certain things can do more damage than good, and this is what I'm praying about. I beg you all to think about ALL you have gleaned from this site, as I believe there is enough in here for you to discern already.

Remember the last council statement: Let us look ahead, move forward, focus on our goals with CfC, and continue to do its good work.



35 comments:

Bishops are humans too said...

I DO NOT AGREE to NOT posting the BISHOP Soc Villegas letter.

The church will withstand all the imperfections of its leaders. The Catholic Church worldwide has been subjected to more embarassing testing with bad news of priests abusing young boys, priests being gay, priests having fathered children, etc. and compared to those scandals this is so small.

Hindi nga error on their morality ito. Error lang in their judgement so why hide it?

And talking of stooping down, ...that document called Playboy/Bunnies Minutes have been relayed to the Bishops...why is it that we do not have on record that the group of Frank received a reprimand from the Bishops?

If we demand an apology from Frank to CFC of their having schemed, plotted, insulted with trickery and evil tactics the CFC community with their discussions / agreements on June 07 2007, are the Bishops going to side with us or are they again going to justify it with a cold silence?

I heard it said that Bishop Gabby Reyes told one of our leaders who visited him that he is siding with Frank Padilla because there are no complaints against Frank, now this is one complaint, would the good Bishop take notice of this?

Worried but hopeful said...

In the name of the Bishops and even in the name of the Church, the group of Frank Padilla's Easter/Playboy & Bunnies called our leaders not worthy of their leadership, or responsible for putting the relationship of CFC with the Catholic Church at risk because the CFC Council decided to do the election and not follow the "strong recommendation" NOT to do the Election by the Bishops.

Now after the August 28 2007 meeting, it became clear that this was a non-issue.

Bishop Pacana does not think it was right for Bishop G. Reyes to interfere with the election of CFC Council.

Now may I suggest that if they don't want the Bishop Soc Villegas letter shown here, how about us asking the Bishops to categorically state that the FFL group should not use the CFC name for a fair quid-pro-quo?

I think if they just do that tomorrow, Frank Padilla will not go down that easily and he will shift the battle from FFL vs.CFC to FFL vs.the Bishops.

I think Bro Frank needs to show that he is in command, and he needs to wage battles where the opportunity rises.

simple request said...

I will agree to NOT posting here the Bishop Soc Villegas letter where the formula of a CFC - GK split if the good Bishop agrees to;

-- require Maribel Descaller to write an open letter of apology to JTale, JYamamoto, RPonte and EMaipid for sending the letter to Garry Faustino, et al ahead of the four Council members.

-- inform us whether that letter was all written by him, devoid of any input from the Easter Group or Frank Padilla himself.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous...

to C.D.

I do not agree not to post Bishop Villegas' letter. If this will happen, where's the truth?

Anonymous said...

Do we censor the truth? How many people have been oppressed because someone kept his mouth shut? Nobody said something about Marcos for 20 years, until Aquino had the courage to tell the truth about his regime. How long should we be silent with the crimes of those who prey on the children and clothed themselves with so called “righteousness”?

Stand up for the truth. We had so many revelations, conflicts, and division in Christianity yet the church survived and continues to grow. Trust in God that he will shepherd us through these trials.

I understand you want to protect the credibility of the few who choose the “perverse manipulation of truth to make their point echo across the globe”, but who will protect those who are caught in their web of lies.

They are aggressively campaigning across the globe (especially US and Canada). To many, they are only giving one perspective. We have no choice… we only have one side. They are aggressively undermining the structure in SFC and YFC and they have stamped their claim on many family ministries. Who will free us? We could only pray for the truth that will set us free.

PS.
“Few” means those who are in power and continue to manipulate the truth. Does not refer to the misinformed
Ps: I respect the choices of others(if you choose to join any group may God continue to bless you)... but I hold no regards to those who manipulate the people (i am tired of all the Marcoses, Eraps, etc)

Anonymous said...

“That the Lord has spoken through His Church leaders. Let it be known that
Bishop Gabriel Reyes advised us “to keep quiet and not engage ourselves in media anymore” after he issued his latest statement. We must humbly and meekly obey!”

The foregoing statement is a word-for-word quote from Easter Group’s latest e-mail salvo, dated September 14 2007.

Please be advised brothers in CFC that since our brethren from FFL are obedient, therefore from Sept 14, 2007, we will not see the faces of brothers Roland Nillas and Nonong “Mr Generic” Contreras on TV nor here them on radio anymore.

Roland and Nonogn, we will call your attention when you transgress your own advice when we see you mouth some misinformation on media again.

willyj said...

May I humbly suggest not to post, there is no further need, as we all know the gist of the letter anyway.
The relevance of the letter is now moot and foreclosed, and besides I don't believe anyone really wants to nitpick and re-translate every word of Bishop Soc's letter,
that smells a bit "Contrerian". We might end up in a vicious cycle of clarification and
re-clarification, and so on, which seems to be a fad nowadays.

Anyway, one must feel a bit queasy at the thought of publicly divulging the
contents of a letter that was originally meant as a private communication,
unless specific permission had been sought and was granted, or otherwise a matter of life and death.If Maribel Descaller is now here being criticized for grave indiscretion in sending out privileged communication to unintended parties, then what do we make of posting Bishop Soc's
letter here?

love letters straight from your heart said...

Di ba it was reported that President Frank Padilla and FFL Council Member Lachi Agana slept in Bataan for them to discuss with Bishop Soc, the letter that Bishop Soc Villegas was supposed to submit to Cardinal Rosales to make it appear that it was the good Bishop's idea to go for a a split or separation of CFC and Gawad Kalinga?

Now that letter was waylaid in the hands of Maribel Descallar and Gary Fasutino (and in the process, we do not know what was lost in translation)we are entertaining the idea of its not being posted here in this informative blog? Why?

If they really met that night in Bataan, where it was highly probable that Bishop Soc and Frank Padilla talked about it, I think they prayed that their meeting be guided in a Holy way.

So I think this is now the way the spirit is leading this event to completion.

Bring it out, after all it is already out in the open here in the Philippines, or Manila at least.

Gary and Maribel and recipients of Garry's comment: Frank, Gerry Padilla, Gerry Bacarro (the only one in this loop who handled it with a righteous conduct) and our Mr Generic himself: Nonong Contreras (!) already know their misconduct could lead to this revelation in the future.

What did the Lord say about secrets?

Anonymous said...

Is this letter toxic to the FFL community?

Is this the water gate of FP?

Is the fight for the truth won?

How about the family ministries?

While there are no official statements from our leaders, (afraid to hurt the other side's feelings), what will happen to YFC, SFC, etc?

Everyone is dancing around the issue hoping not to offend someone, can you guarantee that FP has no plans to divide the family ministries?

They are still using such terms
- we are still in CFC (just another brand, independent from the bylaws of the orginal community)
- if your are for family, then you should join FFL .... if you are for the poor, then you should join CFC-GK (now to the uninformed couple with kids, who do you think they will incline to join?)
- the problem in PI might be dying down, but the gulo is still boiling abroad (ask those who are not in PI)

- CD, i will trust and respect your discernment.

CFC Cluster 2 Chapter D said...

If you're after the truth then please explain why...

"Comment moderation has been enabled. All comments must be approved by the blog author"

Mk 4:24
... The measure with which you measure will be measured out to you..

CFC Ostrich said...

Will you all agree if I say many of us don't think becomingly? We listen to people we think we can trust and then we believe what we are told- hook, line and sinker. That's why propaganda works so effectively.Now, I’m encouraging everyone to think and I hope when I encourage you to think I will not be accused of corrupting your own minds. Why is that so ? When you think for yourself you may come out with answers that deviate from the accepted truths in our present society- be it church or state. When ANONYMOUS said “ We are treading on very thin ice when it comes to our mother the Church and the pastors she has called to serve us...." Well, he/ she may be probably right or wrong. But if it turned out to be right then the clergy is going to be upset with us if we are going to crack the ice just to make a point.

It is not my intent to crack the ice but just want to get my point across and I'd like to talk about the word TRUTH . The 5-letter word is related to LIES : People lie. People in power lie BIG. This sounds biting but it is real. People who lie believe they are justified in lying, otherwise lying would be very hard. Lying for them is an essential part of what they have to do to accomplish a purpose. Most of us, with our limited ambitions, are comfortable only with small lies, but those who have the most all-encompassing and marvelous plans have learned to use the Big Lie.

Most of our brethren particularly in North America and Africa are more willing to listen to lies than to learn the truth. The biggest lies in the CFC history , are committed in the name of the noblest purpose: " restoration, preservation and strengthening of the authentic CFC charism".Lies may or may not protect our relationship with our Mother Church. Lies may have protected our community,but these same lies will destroy it at the core leaving nothing worth protecting.

I say, most of the people surrounding FAP are good "propagandists." They spent time,money and talent ( and connections,too ) fabricating outright lies and feed these to the media and to our brethren here and abroad .I tell you, lies aren't disinformation, they are simply LIES that attempt to avoid the truth; hence the term itself is a lie.

Is there hope for the unmasking of the CFC split ? I hope so. Let us intend to maintain that flickering hope that this blog and its administrator will have the spunk and courage to search for the truth in defending the real CFC from the Easter Group’s bold,daring moves to masquerade pride, envy and maintenance of power with restoration activity of sorts .

The truth involves not only a search but also a struggle. I’m urging all who love this community to help bring our hope to fulfillment by not being seduced by lies and masks but by engaging in the struggle for truth. So, however excruciating that struggle will be let the truth come out . We all deserve to know the TRUTH.

GOD with us.

dr vic cabuquit said...

What you call as a 'totally unselfish' act is actually a SELFISH gesture. Any attempt to hide the truth to benefit the whole, not just a part, of the community, is a selfish act. I think you got swayed ( 'touched a nerve') by the beggary posturing of the sender. Bishop Villegas is, I think, mature enough to handle the possible fallout of his mischievous machinations. So please, I beg of you (on bended knees), post the good bishop's letter. That, would be, a SELFLESS deed.

Anonymous said...

I think most bishops are siding with the FFL. I heard that majority of the Fulltime MIssion Workers are also supporting the FFL. Do they know something we don't know-- the TRUTH, or are they just respecting the Founder of the CFC?-the man behind the success of CFC. The very name of COUPLES for Christ dictates that the community is primarily for COUPLES. Otherwise, it should be PEOPLE for Christ. I agree with the principles of FFL but I don't agree with the split-up. The END does not justify the MEANS.

JosephG - North B said...

Dear CD and Brothers and Sisters in CFC,

I believe it will be okay if the letter of Bishop Soc Villegas will no longer be posted in this blog site if only to insulate our dear Bishop from undue pressures. What is important is that now we know and understand that he was a victim misled into believing that it was the best solution to take. However, had he been given the true picture, I doubt if he will write it as it is. Right now I believe that the Bishops are well informed and so we can give them more space.

This blog site has provided us enormous information to see the truth clearly and be able to make the right decision. To me, the most important are:
• The financial mess under Frank’s leadership (Aug. 28 post, Pandora’s Box-Show Me The Money!)
• Franks “authoritarian” style of leadership (Anonymous’s comment to Aug. 28 post, posted 9:00 a.m.)
• The grand deception plan hatched by the Playboy Bunnies of FFL that is why unity is impossible (Sept. 6 post).
• How the bishop’s communication was intentionally mishandled by Sister Maribel and Garry (Sept. 11 post).
• The orderly and Holy Spirit-filled referendum and election (Sept. 6 post).
In all these events we can see God’s mighty hands.

FFL’s campaign of deception and misinformation is in full swing, global and massive. In the Chapter where I belong, in the company where I work and in my circle of friends, a good number are still undecided or are still waiting for their respective elders instead of actively searching for the truth.

To my fellow foot soldiers of God’s CFC, now that we are in the light and we know the truth,
• It is now upon us to inform those who are still uninformed or misinformed, especially our brothers and sister who do not even have access to the internet. Let us reach out to them to inform them so that they can come up with their own decision. Let us not do this to convince them to remain with CFC but to help them to arrive at their own decision.

• Refer this blog site to those who are not yet aware of this site. I have done this to a number of brothers/sisters who are my officemates.

• Let us double if not maintain our tithes. Our CFC needs our support more than ever and I am EXTREMELY CONFIDENT that our new leadership will take care of this.

• Let us continue to visit and communicate in this blog site.

God bless you all brothers and sisters.

Bro. Waray

ftw said...

i would like to comment on the last ANONYMOUS person's note about how most full time workers are leaving for FFL.

I beg to disagree. perhaps the popular ones have left na. perhaps the ones in SFC. but there are still a good number outside metro manila and some even inside the center who are still staying put.

and besides, as more people leave for FFL, more people will be called to step up. therefore, the "regular" members will need to step up and we will see a much stronger CFC community!!

this cycle will always continue!

how abt we all take on the posture that perhaps the split is somehow being used by God to allow his vast work to continue in different forms.

yes, i am also annoyed in the manner in which people are basing their decisions to choose...and i'm also annoyed that people are moving to FFl for the wrong reasons..but i pray nalang to God that HE will bring them to the ministry HE wants them to serve in ..eventually in God's time.

in the meantime, let's move on with the work.

for those who are still "discerning" pls hurry up po because much needs to be done...wherever u decide to serve. be convicted in your decision and know that God will right the wrongs. Surrender your fears and decide with radical faith!!

now let's pray for the pastoral congress coz i do believe there is a lot of wisdom and holy spirit that needs to fill those events.

Anonymous said...

i don't think most of the bishops are siding with FFL. Misconception yan, since ang laging naririnig lang is Bishop Gabby. (Baka si Bishop Soc, for FFL pa rin)

During the dialogue, at least na-explain na ng cfc council yung side nila. and i'd like to believe that bishops are more enlightened of the situation now.

i don't think you'll be hearing archbishop lagdameo again giving his CFC-GK split sermon again.

As bishop villena said in the dialogue, pride lang talaga ang reason ng conflict sa CFC.

about the full-time workers, ayon sa aking bubuwit, meron top SFC leaders na for FFL na talaga, pero sa CFC center pa rin nag-tatrabaho. yung isa, nagpaalam mag-stay hanggang december 1. yung isa ata, nag-de-deny pa rin, although nakasama na yung pangalan nya sa structure ng ffl.

at eto pa, meron naman top yfc leader ng metro manila nahuli sa center na nag-p-print ng activities ng FFL.

personally, i'd rather have them resign immediately kaysa sa ganyan. Nasaan na ang idealism nila?

Anonymous said...

Here's one suggestion

-inform Bishop Soc Villegas that his letter will be posted here in the blog and for him to read the comments before and after such was done.

-inform brother 'scholar' Gary Faustino and sister Maribel Descallar too, AS THEY ARE THE MAIN PLAYERS HERE. Inform brother Nonong Contreras also, to complete the 'dramatis personnae' with the supporting cast.

then let's see what happens

by the way, this is not the whole church, only Bishop Villegas and indirectly, his guests on that night (as reported here) bros frank padilla and lachi agana.

what do you think, CD?

Peace said...

Let us not be judgmental. Only time will tell if the bishop's wisdom is right after all. If that time comes, we will all surely be humbled. Let us continue to pray and discern. What we know for now is that we are facing big time trials here in CFC & GK when we are still a long way on the vision of 700000 houses. Let us be humble and continue to pray hard. Peace!

EB-3C said...

I'd been wondering what prompted the bishop to reach out more to the break-away group than to the IC. But I believe that this question was answered by yesterday's gospel (Luke 15:4)- "The Parable of the Lost Sheep" - "Which one of you, if he has a hundred sheep and loses one of them, would not leave the 99 in the open pasture and go look for the one that is lost until he finds it?"

Our bishop acted in divine guidance to leave the majority of the CFC to aid those who were strayed. But I am still hopeful that this crisis will come to a beautiful ending - as what our gospel leads us to "The Parable of the Prodigal Son" (Luke 15:17-24) "But when he came to his senses he said, ‘How many of my father’s hired workers have food enough to spare, but here I am dying from hunger! I will get up and go to my father and say to him, “Father, I have sinned against heaven and against you. I am no longer worthy to be called your son; treat me like one of your hired workers.”’So he got up and went to his father. But while he was still a long way from home his father saw him, and his heart went out to him; he ran and hugged his son and kissed him. Then his son said to him, ‘Father, I have sinned against heaven and against you; I am no longer worthy to be called your son.’ But the father said to his slaves, ‘Hurry! Bring the best robe, and put it on him! Put a ring on his finger and sandals on his feet! Bring the fattened calf and kill it! Let us eat and celebrate, because this son of mine was dead, and is alive again – he was lost and is found!

I hope that day will come not later but very soon.

Servant

CFC Emmaus said...

Dear All,

I went to the SFC Metro Manila Conference in Bataan last time. There I saw Bishop Soc went to the place. I also went to the Cathedral of St. Joseph where he sits.

Bishop Soc went to mingle with the SFCs but little did I know the storm that was on the horizon. And the beloved Bishop Soc was involved.

My appeal to all is this, whatever the letter contained, let us not read it. It contains something that we value, the word of our bishop who represents Christ to us. Let us respect the Office of the Bishop of Bataan. Let us allow this letter which is instrumental in the attempt to sever mother CFC to its child GK, pass in to oblivion. Let us spare our Bishop Soc and other Bishops for that matter from further maligning though their sin against CFC may not be moral or otherwise, we extend our forgiveness to them.

Like Isaac about to be offered by Abraham, let us rejoice that GK was not severed from its mother. But like a mother, knowing what could have happened, like Mama Mary, let us keep all of these thing in our hearts.

Let us not publish the letter.

CFC Emmaus
Remembering what Jesus taught Us.

joSA said...

ang sabi ng bubuwit ko mga P151,000 daw ang cost ng ad sa Manila Bulletin kapag Sunday...

eh sa Star kaya, magkano...

isipin mo, nagkagasta pa ang Obispo ng ganung halaga para lang i-clarify ang kanyang mga naririnig at nababasa sa news.

who paid? where did the money come from? hmmmm... i hope not from my pocket. ;-)

Anonymous said...

Turf Wars

1 Corinthians 1:10, Luke 9:48





We watched as a friend let a new horse into his pasture. Of five horses, the new one was the largest; being half Morgan and half Belgian. As the smallest horse (a very strong-minded Arabian) came up real close to the new girl and pushed to see who would be in charge, he receiving a swift kick as a result. For two hours each horse asserted their claim to their turf and maneuvered for dominance - making sure who the herd boss was in this new arrangement.



This may sound strangely familiar - maneuvering for position, for dominance, and fighting for turf - in the community, maybe in your office, maybe in your ministry, or your school.



The Apostle Paul wrote to the Corinthian church, "I appeal to you, brothers, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree with one another so that there be no divisions among you and that you may be perfectly united in mind and thought." It's clear that Christ expects us to work together harmoniously; not working against one another contentiously.



Even Jesus' disciples argued over who would be the greatest in His kingdom, and He said, "...he who is least among you all ... he is the greatest." Fighting for turf, fighting for dominance doesn't bring out the best in horses or God's children. So, be a uniter, not a divider; be a servant, not a personality; a healer, not a hurter. And keep reminding folks that it's not about us. It's all about Jesus!

Bataan is a historic place said...

CD,

What happened to the idea of posting Bishop Soc's letter?

Is there somebody making a count of how many in this blog said 'yes' and those who said 'no'?

I wonder how that letter was really created...was it a case of the Bishop coming out of a meeting with CFC leader/s got 'divine intervention' and then he wrote that letter. If yes, then we need to know who was that CFC leader who inspired the Bishop to write it.

If the leader was someone who would be 'most benefited' with the message of the letter, then the Bishop's supposed proposal to the Cardinal is not good advice because it is being given at the expense of another group in CFC.

Teka, are we talking here of a CFC LEADER or the wives of CFC leaders. If the leaders were from "Teodoro" Ministry, that would be okay; but if they were from the Teodora Ministry, then we can only say, women's charms works wonders!

Not only in the home, but also in the Diocese! Even if the Diocese is a good many kilometers away from Antipolo!

Talaga ba?! So ano na CD?

Sa Erap hearing noon.... said...

comment to willj who commented on Sept 15.

The Bishop Soc Villegas was NEVER meant to be a "privileged communication". Even the Bishop will agree to that.

It was addressed nga to "Council of Elders", kasi nagkamali nga siya. Nahalo the "Board of Elders" and the "International Council".

They say if it was Bro Nonong Contreras who dictated it, ok yun kasi the brother has impeccable diction and speaks clearly, then wala sanang error. I think the Bishop should get a well trained secretary.

But thats not the topic.

So I want to say it is not privileged communication. Yun lang

Anonymous said...

Let everyone who are in the places where Bro. Frank Padilla goes to and conduct an open forum, ask him the questions below:

QUESTIONS FOR BRO. FRANK PADILLA
and for anyone who would like to defend him

1. We can all see that you are being portrayed as a prophet by your supporters. Do you believe you are a prophet in the level of Moses or John the Baptist and why?

2. Do you believe you ALONE can restore the true charism of Couples For Christ? If yes, what makes you say so? If no, why are you defying the decision of the Elders Assembly to give the IC the mandate to govern and eventually restore the true charisms that were deemed lost? If you say, you don't trust them, why don't you trust them? Who will you trust?

3. What is the role of the Elders Assembly? Do you have any authority over the Elders Assembly? If yes, what is this authority and where do you base it from? If no, why do you not recognize the mandate they had given the present IC? Why do you defy their decision to go ahead with the elections? Do you think your wisdom is greater than the collective wisdom of the Elders Assembly? Do you think the members of the Elders Assembly do not have minds of their own to discern things happening in our community?

4. The Bishops have not suggested or demanded the resignation of the present IC. Why are you not following their lead? Do you consider yourself above the Bishops?

5. In a video of the election, before the actual voting started, where you there when a certain brother suggested to the body that whatever would be the results of the referendum and subsequent election, that EVERYONE should honor it? Did you agree with that suggestion? If no, why not? If so, why then did you not honor it and have instead gone ahead and divided the community?

6. The present IC has humbly committed itself to resolve your 18 issues/concerns. As a matter of fact, there will be a Pastoral Congress soon to discuss these and other matters, with the aim of restoring whatever charism that you think was lost and improving any weak areas of governance and spirituality. Why did you still insist in dividing the community?

7. They have even told you that restoration can be done without the need to get out and form your own community. Did you answer "Those issues have long been forwarded and still nothing has been done about it."? Why do you expect the new IC to resolve in less than 4 months the issues/problems that you as Chairman of GK could not resolve in the many years that GK has been existing?

8. You wrote in your Sept.-Oct. 2006 article in the Ugnayan, that Satan will attempt to destroy the community through elders who will not be "submitted to the authority within the body", elders who will "build turf", elders who will "stoke conflict and division rather than practice patience, tolerance and forgiveness." Now that your prophecy has been fulfilled, now that our beloved community has indeed been destroyed, since we are now divided, my questions are: Isn't your defiance of the Elders Assembly for electing the new IC, not being "submitted to the authority within the body"? Isn't your action of creating the Restoration Group and now the FFL, "building turf"? Isn't your act of rejecting the IC's offer to resolve your 18 issues/concerns and your act of threatening division if they don't resign the same as "stoking conflict and division"?

9. What grave wrongdoing has the present IC done that you have demanded for their resignation? How grave is this wrongdoing that it should warrant their resignation, despite their commitment to resolve your 18 issues/concerns? How come the Bishops have not suggested nor demanded for their resignations as you did? If you say they have no moral ascendancy to govern, who does? Whatever happened to patience, tolerance and forgiveness that you have always taught us all throughout these years?

10. Since when did CFC become CFC-GK? But just for the sake of identifying both groups, granted that the IC-led CFC is called CFC-GK and your group is called CFC-FFL, are you implying that CFC-GK will not do anything related to family and life anymore? If you say no, why separate? If you have nothing against GK itself, will CFC-FFL not do its own GK? If it will still do its own GK, then why separate?

11. You categorically said that when you will form FFL, you will not hold any position? Why are you now the Chairman of FFL?

12. In your CFC-GK3 paper, one of your biggest issues/concerns is why Bro. Tony Meloto is being called the "Father" or "Founder of GK". Why does it not seem to bother you the least, now that you are also being called the "Founder of CFC"?

13. Why are you concerned that the Mormons will proselytize the GK villages that they penetrate? Do you not trust that God will do the conversion and not man? Isn't GK supposed to be giving without expecting anything in return? Is CFC supposed to impose itself on the GK settlers just because we have given them homes? Shouldn't the GK settlers join CFC because we are imposing it on them or should they instead be motivated to join because of the works that CFC do?

14. Is the way you worship at FFL different from the way we worship in CFC? If no, then why separate? What charism does FFL have that CFC does not have? What can FFL achieve that CFC cannot achieve? If there is none, then why separate?

15. Can you make an assurance that the FFL you had established will not in the future experience the same kind of crisis that CFC had just gone through? If no, then why separate? If yes, how?

16. How will FFL convince all the other Bishops that they are also CFC when there is already an existing CFC? Will you also tell these Bishops that CFC might veer away from its mission and vision and that FFL is actually the true CFC?

17. If you and all FFL supporters still consider yourselves "Couples For Christ" in spirit, why is it still important for you that your name will also be called "Couples For Christ"?

18. In your book "Fulfilling The Mandate", there is a section on "DISUNITY" on page 149 and you also wrote about this in some of your Ugnayan articles. How will you reconcile or relate what you have written with what your role has been in the division that has happened in our community?

19. When is obedience and loyalty considered blind?

20. Are you and Sis. Gerry the only one entitled to represent Couples for Christ at the Vatican? Why?

21. What was your purpose in visiting the Vatican recently?

f.i.wr.fp said...

Answers to anonymous to his questions to FAP:

1)Yes, don't you think so
2)Yes, I am Founder of CFC.
No, the EA does not echo the real sentiments of the members in the ground.Only trust the leaders I choose

3)I have no authority over the EA; they are pro council
4)Not above the Bishops, I am just friendly(closely related) We agree, no quarrel amongst us.

5)I was there. Agreed to honor the agreement not the election. It was 'they' who had no word of honor.I did not divide the community, merely added another one.
6)Same answer, am not very good at math. Prefer to add than to divide.

7) 40 days I rested. Found answers on Lamentations. Suggest you try it.
8)No I did not stoke conflict.
I kept quiet;
I did not stoke division;
IC did not follow my advice;
they stalked, stroked, struck...
9) IC went on a witchhunt.
Warned them not to touch all these
IC has agenda;
they must resign, they are the cause of disunity.
When they leave, I shall return, CFC will be one again.
The good Bishops don't interfere with matters of fate.
I am patient, forgiving and tolerant, ask everyone in FFL.

10) You want GK; I want GK.
You want Gawad Kalinga;
I want Gawain ni Kristo.
TWO GK.
Addition not Subtraction!

11)I am founder of FFL;
that used to be CFC;
that used to be LnP.

12)Same as #11

13)Refuse to answer
14)I choose to remain silent
15)LnP then CFC then FFL;
Next question please

16)Yes yes yes, finally you are convinced
17)I am CFC and FFL but CFC easier to pronounce.

18)My next book-
"Unity and Disunity among Crabs"
19)Crabs understand each other.
Crabs are obedient and loyal.
20)Nonong and Ding also eligible.
I mean members not crabs.
Oh, crabs as well.

21)Tour & visit;
take pictures, buy souvenirs;
What did you think?

Obvious from your questions that you are disturbed, upset, confused and misinformed.
That is what division can create. Better choose addition.

I am tired of all this questions. Better come and attend restoration.

Anonymous said...

Reply to f i wr fp,

GOOD LUCK!

God Bless you.

We'll wait until you come back in CFC. Prodigal son.

If not, pray for me when you are in heaven!

Anonymous said...

To f.i.wr.fp:

How am I misinformed? Please tell me so I can correct myself.

Thank you.

p.s. - Your reply was outrageously funny!!!

willyj said...

To "sa erap hearing noon":

Thank you for pointing out that the bp Soc's letter was never meant to be privileged information.

We do know that it was addressed to the IC. We do know that is was the IC who solicited the advise. You solicit an advise from your father
in times of trouble, it is given to you with all good intentions.
I trust that all of us with will only attribute good intentions of the clergy as prompted by their calling, even granting the influence of misinformation. That the suggestion may or may not have benefited a biased party is beside the point, we will appreciate and respect fatherly advise.
It does not follow however, that one should follow that advise to the letter, the important thing is to appreciate and respond in love to that fatherly advise. If we post that letter here, let me ask all kapatids, what do you see happening, and when they do happen,
will the letter serve the purpose for what it was originally intended? What was Bp Soc's intention in the first place? Did the bishop foresee this letter being posted in public to be largely debated upon? Would he have agreed that his letter be posted here now, to serve the common good of the highest order? You go to this extent regardless of ramifications, then it must be really imperative to the whole point. Is it? Does something do more harm than good, as someone commented? Regardless of whether it was privileged to limited consumption or not. Let us think hard about this one. We are seeking the truth, yes but that truth is defined by His wisdom, not ours. Some moves are irreversible, like when you split something, it is very difficult to join or mend it back together, if ever.
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Anonymous said...

Here is one of my greatest concerns:

Gary's letter espouses the concept that we should hold things such as pro-poor and pro-life as core values, but they should not be things we divert resources to.

In other words, we should profess support for these things, but even as blessed middle or upper-class Christians, we should not feel too obliged to take action.

Why is this a problem?

Because the world sees this, and it affects how they perceive God.

"Oh those Christians, they bluster a lot about how bad abortion is, but they don't make any effort to make things easier for teenage mothers."

"They say they care about the poor, but they don't lift a finger to help them. They really just want Christians in positions of power."

Who that lives in the USA would deny such things get said? (note, I'm not a US resident)

In part, this came about because, in the history of the USA, evangelicals split down the middle - those whose greatest gift was preaching thought there was too much focus on the work with the poor.

As a result, the work with the poor became the domain of the left, and became heavily secularized.

Christians became known as people who care most about their individual spirituality, and not so much about justice for the poor and the oppressed.

Sound familiar?

This is why we need unity.

We need our greatest preachers to be preaching in GK villages, raising up future spiritual leaders from among the poor. We need to demonstrate the God's blessing in our lives leads us to care - and take action - for others.

We need to be equipping the work of Pro-Life by not just publicly standing against abortion and contraception, but by working with the poor to provide options to teenage moms, that they do not need to prostitute themselves in the brothels of Manila.

Jesus had compassion. So must we. We must model our Saviour's love, for when we do that our evangelistic word is complete and credible.

if.i.wr.fp.also said...

hey anonymous! how are you doing?
could you please ADD THESE but don't digest, to if.i.wr.fp answers!


1. i have a gift of prophecy for the modern day

2. i believe i cannot. but in God i trust.

3. the vision say so. the mission is not being followed.

4. IC nga ang unang hindi sumunod e. nagbabasa at nagreresearch ka bang mabuti anonymous?

5. andun ako, ikaw nandon? i told them out of focus ang direction. hindi achievable ang vision. who knows if division is the real answer. nobody knows. but i am powerfully hearing the Message from Lamentations.

6. in the limelight, yes the commitment was there but you are not feeling what was going on in the background. it was the eeriest feeling i had.

7. listen anonymous, if there was a staunchier supporter of GK other than TM, then it is me. i have been there since the inception. the GK management together with IC were not able to give a clear resolution.

8. that's your point-of-views. mine isn't.

9. no grave wrongdoing. it was a part of the restoration plan but unfortunately, nobody wanted to commit. didn't i also taught you that saying "no" doesn't mean that you don't love your brother?

10. no. pls re-read my CFC-GK 3.

11. if i am in the background, i will be tagged as a dictator; if i will be in front; i am tagged as unhonorable; if i don't do anything, evilness is invited. 1 sheep lost, 99 remained; i have to run after the lost one, i am the shepherd of the flock.

12. i welcome any tirade out in the open for that matter. kaya nga nilalagyan nila ng "considered" before the word founder dahil alam nila na hindi lang ako yon e. ikaw naman o.

13. basa ka nang book about the Mormons style of evangelization to pick up some basics before i explain to you their whole process of proselytizing.

did you ever hear us twisting the arms of the settlers because we want them to join CFC? i have been to almost all the GK sites and i never encouraged them to do that.

14. not different at all. what God bestowed to Peter, we uphold. at saka basahin mo "the way forward" series

15. yeah baby! i am now a learned person because of this crisis. anyway, everything is evolving. the only constant thing in us is change.

16. the truth shall set us free. the Bishops have the hearts that hear the plea of the church. proven ko na yan.

17. vatican! and please hindi ko kayo tinuruan maging selfish, di ba?

18. merong nga akong gift of prophecy e. nakita ko ang mga yan habang nag-re-reflect ako para sa articles and for the book.

19. when you lord it over.

20. not really. we are just signatories. you can actually go there and represent us. just bring your ID.

21. sa laki ng mundo natin of 160 evangelized contry and sa dami ng condemnation na ibanabato nyo sa akin, kailangan magsumbong na din naman ako. i needed a dad's shoulder to cry on further.

i just want to echo and pilfer the amusing reply of if.i.wr.fp. the person could be right in saying that you are oh so confused and upset and deeply disturbed and totally misinformed. one plus one equals three. i am similarly sick of such defamatory questions. i suggest you seek the truth. and it would be even far better if you hear the truth from the horse's mouth. calm yourself Christian!just email him - fapcfc@gmail.com

happy lunch break!

if.i.wr.fp.also

if.i.wr.fp said...

To my followers- anonymous et al,

"I SHALL RETURN"
I will bring back:
prodigal wives
prodigal husbands
prodigal household heads
prodigal unit heads
prodigal chapter heads
prodigal sector heads
prodigal ministry heads
prodigal provincial area heads
prodigal board of elders

I will bring all, but not the crabs, sorry kinain na namin...

Burp!

PS.
Thank you for the laughter, we need that!

Anonymous said...

Anonymous: To f.i.wr.fp:

f.i.wr.fp said...

Answers to anonymous to his questions to FAP:

1)Yes, don't you think so

Anonymous: I think you are. But remember, there are 2 kinds of prophets. True and False. Remember ang True prophet hindi nagsisinungaling at hindi nagde-deceive.

2)Yes, I am Founder of CFC.

Anonymous: Hindi lang naman ikaw ang founder, diba? If I'm not mistaken, the actual founders were a certain brother in LNP at isang pari. Bakit mo kini-claim ang hindi sa iyo?

No, the EA does not echo the real sentiments of the members in the ground.Only trust the leaders I choose

Anonymous: Why should you be trusted? Diyos ka ba? Nilagay na nga ng Diyos ang EA at isa ka pa sa naglagay sa kanila. Doesn't the EA represent the members? Nag-hold ka ba ng referendum sa members to know the real sentiments of ALL the members in the ground?

3)I have no authority over the EA; they are pro council

Anonymous: Do they not represent the voice of God? Why were they put there in the first place?

4)Not above the Bishops, I am just friendly(closely related) We agree, no quarrel amongst us.

Anonymous: Kaya nga. Friends pala kayo. You agree pala. Why don't you do as they do? Honor the results of the election.

5)I was there. Agreed to honor the agreement not the election. It was 'they' who had no word of honor.I did not divide the community, merely added another one.

Anonymous: The draft of the agreement which CD posted here clearly shows that the agreement is still up for ratification by the EA. Sino ngayon ang walang word of honor? Nagdag-dag ka nga ng community. Saan mo naman kinuha ang members mo?

6)Same answer, am not very good at math. Prefer to add than to divide.

Anonymous: Panindigan mo naman ang mga pinag-susulat mo about UNITY sa mga libro at articles mo. Why don't you give them a chance? Please, please, please ....

7) 40 days I rested. Found answers on Lamentations. Suggest you try it.

Anonymous: Irrelevant answer. Please try again.

8)No I did not stoke conflict.
I kept quiet;
I did not stoke division;
IC did not follow my advice;
they stalked, stroked, struck...

Anonymous: Why then did you "hostage" UNITY in exchange for the IC's resignation? Isn't that stoking division and causing conflict? So, what if they don't follow your advice? If you still want your advice to be followed, you shouldn't have resigned in the first place. Lamentations? You can lament while you are still serving, o diba?

9) IC went on a witchhunt.
Warned them not to touch all these
IC has agenda;
they must resign, they are the cause of disunity.
When they leave, I shall return, CFC will be one again.
The good Bishops don't interfere with matters of fate.
I am patient, forgiving and tolerant, ask everyone in FFL.

Anonymous: Hindi ka na nadala. Your easily forgot that nobody nominated you anymore? Basa na ang papel mo. Siguro pag-nag-giveway ka ngayon baka puede ka pang humirit later.

10) You want GK; I want GK.
You want Gawad Kalinga;
I want Gawain ni Kristo.
TWO GK.
Addition not Subtraction!

Anonymous: Meron din naman tayong Gawain ni Kristo, diba? Bakit pa kailangang mag-dagdag? Gusto mo lang talagang mang-bulabog ano? I wonder sino ang nag-utos sa iyo niyan.

11)I am founder of FFL;
that used to be CFC;
that used to be LnP.

Anonymous: Forget the question. Nakita ko na ang sagot mo dito. Sabi mo yata temporary lang ang position mo. Pero, bakit kailangang chairman ka? Bakit hindi na lang ang bata mong si Nonong Contreras? Pati ba naman sa sariling mong tao, wala kang tiwala?

12)Same as #11

Anonymous: Masarap talaga ang crab ano? Lalo na ang relyeno.

13)Refuse to answer

Anonymous: I wonder why?

14)I choose to remain silent

Anonymous: Balik na lang kayo kasi. Sige na. Please ....

15)LnP then CFC then FFL;
Next question please

Anonymous: After FFL? GGM? HHN? IIO? JJP?

16)Yes yes yes, finally you are convinced

Anonymous: Sa tingin mo may maniniwala pa sa deceptions ninyo?

17)I am CFC and FFL but CFC easier to pronounce.

Anonymous: Hintay na lang kayo sa desisyon ng SEC. Pero dinig ko disapprove daw eh. Sorry ha?

18)My next book-
"Unity and Disunity among Crabs"

Anonymous: I can't wait to read it.

19)Crabs understand each other.
Crabs are obedient and loyal.

Anonymous: Crabs are "high" in cholesterol too, I think.

20)Nonong and Ding also eligible.
I mean members not crabs.
Oh, crabs as well.

Anonymous: LOL !!!

21)Tour & visit;
take pictures, buy souvenirs;
What did you think?

Anonymous: Looking for other crabs?

Obvious from your questions that you are disturbed, upset, confused and misinformed.
That is what division can create. Better choose addition.

I am tired of all this questions. Better come and attend restoration.

Anonymous: Ako, confused, disturbed? Hindi ah. Baka ikaw. Who is eating his own words? With ketchup pa yata. Misinformed, maybe. Ano ang mga misinformation ko?

Anonymous said...

Anonymous: To if.i.wr.fp.also

hey anonymous! how are you doing?
could you please ADD THESE but don't digest, to if.i.wr.fp answers!

1. i have a gift of prophecy for the modern day

Anonymous: Oh yeah I forgot, you yourself are the fulfillment of the prophesies you made in your Fulfilling The Mandate book and in your Ugnayan articles.

2. i believe i cannot. but in God i trust.

Anonymous: E, sabi na nga ng Diyos, sundin mo ang desisyon ng Elders Assembly, diba? Bakit pa itinayo ang Elders Assembly kung susuwayin mo rin lang?

3. the vision say so. the mission is not being followed.

Anonymous: Wrong answer. Please read the question again.

4. IC nga ang unang hindi sumunod e. nagbabasa at nagreresearch ka bang mabuti anonymous?

Anonymous: Hindi naman ang IC ang nag-decide na ituloy ang election. It was the EA. Nagbabasa ako. Ikaw kaya? Now, why are you not following the Bishop's lead of not suggesting nor demanding for the IC to resign?

5. andun ako, ikaw nandon? i told them out of focus ang direction. hindi achievable ang vision. who knows if division is the real answer. nobody knows. but i am powerfully hearing the Message from Lamentations.

Anonymous: Whatever happened to your vision of UNITY that you wrote in your books and articles? Tapon or sunugin mo na lang mga libro mo, diba?

6. in the limelight, yes the commitment was there but you are not feeling what was going on in the background. it was the eeriest feeling i had.

Anonymous: Why don't you give them a chance? Please, please, please ....

7. listen anonymous, if there was a staunchier supporter of GK other than TM, then it is me. i have been there since the inception. the GK management together with IC were not able to give a clear resolution.

Anonymous: Ikaw nga mismo hindi mo kaya. Why don't you give them a chance? Please, please, please ....

8. that's your point-of-views. mine isn't.

Anonymous: What is your point-of-view then? Sino ang hindi nag "submit to the authority WITHIN the body"? Sino ang nag-"build turf"? Paki-sagot nga please.

9. no grave wrongdoing. it was a part of the restoration plan but unfortunately, nobody wanted to commit. didn't i also taught you that saying "no" doesn't mean that you don't love your brother?

Anonymous: Iyon naman pala eh. So bati na kayo ha?

10. no. pls re-read my CFC-GK 3.

Anonymous: I did. Wala doon ang sagot. C'mmon, paki-sagot nga please?

11. if i am in the background, i will be tagged as a dictator; if i will be in front; i am tagged as unhonorable; if i don't do anything, evilness is invited. 1 sheep lost, 99 remained; i have to run after the lost one, i am the shepherd of the flock.

Anonymous: That's good pero, why are you always eating your words? Masarap ba?

12. i welcome any tirade out in the open for that matter. kaya nga nilalagyan nila ng "considered" before the word founder dahil alam nila na hindi lang ako yon e. ikaw naman o.

Anonymous: Pareho lang yon. Ang sabihin mo nainggit ka lang kay TM. Right?

13. basa ka nang book about the Mormons style of evangelization to pick up some basics before i explain to you their whole process of proselytizing.

did you ever hear us twisting the arms of the settlers because we want them to join CFC? i have been to almost all the GK sites and i never encouraged them to do that.

Anonymous: So, wala ka ngang tiwala sa Diyos?

14. not different at all. what God bestowed to Peter, we uphold. at saka basahin mo "the way forward" series

Anonymous: Makulit na kung makulit, bakit kailangang mag-hiwalay?

15. yeah baby! i am now a learned person because of this crisis. anyway, everything is evolving. the only constant thing in us is change.

Anonymous: Paano kaya kung wala ka na? Prophet Nonong?

16. the truth shall set us free. the Bishops have the hearts that hear the plea of the church. proven ko na yan.

Anonymous: Bishops or Bishop?

17. vatican! and please hindi ko kayo tinuruan maging selfish, di ba?

Anonymous: Hintay na lang kayo sa desisyon ng SEC. Pero dinig ko disapprove daw eh. Sorry ha?

18. merong nga akong gift of prophecy e. nakita ko ang mga yan habang nag-re-reflect ako para sa articles and for the book.

Anonymous: Why do I keep forgetting?

19. when you lord it over.

Anonymous: Just like what you are doing, right?

20. not really. we are just signatories. you can actually go there and represent us. just bring your ID.

Anonymous: That's what I thought so. Kasi ang mga supporters mo, pinag-yayabang ito eh. Actually, galing na kami doon. Kaya lang nawala kami sa laki. Tsaka, nakalimutan ko ID ko.

21. sa laki ng mundo natin of 160 evangelized contry and sa dami ng condemnation na ibanabato nyo sa akin, kailangan magsumbong na din naman ako. i needed a dad's shoulder to cry on further.

Anonymous: That's a fair answer.

i just want to echo and pilfer the amusing reply of if.i.wr.fp. the person could be right in saying that you are oh so confused and upset and deeply disturbed and totally misinformed. one plus one equals three. i am similarly sick of such defamatory questions. i suggest you seek the truth. and it would be even far better if you hear the truth from the horse's mouth. calm yourself Christian!just email him - fapcfc@gmail.com

Anonymous: Ako, confused, disturbed? Hindi ah. Baka ikaw. Misinformed, maybe. Ano ang mga misinformation ko?

happy lunch break!

if.i.wr.fp.also

Please said...

To the FP pretenders and their anonymous commenters---

Please tumigil na kayo. Di na Holy spirit iyan - baka spirit na iyan ni Frank. Hala kayo!

Si FP pa lang nakakaloko na, hwag n'yo nang dagdagan - baka mahawa kayo, kayo rin.

:-}