Monday, October 22, 2007

Monday Overdose

Break out your high blood pressure medicine people, no matter what brand.

Thanks to the our blood pressure monitoring blog friend Jiggs, we now have a clearer murkier picture of the FFL's stand on the matters we've brought up.

It's vague and it's evasive, but hey, it's something to chew on this Monday.

From: Easter Group <eastergroup@gmail.com>
To: "jiggs842002@yahoo.com" <jiggs842002@yahoo.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 7:08:08 PM
Subject: questions on Truth Series 4.16 and 4.17

Hello Jiggs,

Peace be with you.

The responses to your queries of the 8th of October are embedded within your own e-mail as seen below.

God bless.

Moderator
CFC-FFL

At 12:57 AM 10/8/2007, you wrote:
Good day to you bro. frank and to FFL brethren,

i am compelled to write you regarding your most recent Truth Series 4.16 and 4.17. allow me to ask questions regaring these matters - on pro-life and partnerships wtih Pfizer and Wyeth, etc.


on Truth Series 4.16, Oct.05 2007
1. The sole culpability of Bro. Frank seems to be the only focus of the latest IC statement regarding contraceptives and the pharma companies. It completely misses the point that the IC is a fraternal and collegial body that decides on the basis of consensus and unanimity. The fact is there are at least 3 other members of the present Council who were also part of the old Council. They were Joe Tale, Joe Yamamoto, and Rouquel Ponte. The selective blame seemed to point to Frank. Was it not Joe Yamamoto who spearheaded the drive to involve the pharma companies as Head of Gawad Kalusugan?

my question and comment:
1. bro.frank, during the conception of the partnership, did you pose an opposition to the partnership with these pharmas? since this will contradict to the posture of CFC as being pro-life, did you not try your very best to dissuade the other members of the council not to push through with the partnership? did anyone in CFC try to check if these pharmas are selling contraceptives? even if you are outvoted, then in 2005 you must have raised hell and high waters in opposing the partnership. why only now?

CFC-FFL response: As the Executive Director of CFC and Chairman of the GK Board, Frank was never in on the details about the partnerships with the pharmas conceived and executed by Joe Yamamoto and Tony Meloto. His role in the signing was to witness the proceedings. While he does not disclaim responsibility for being part of this apparent mistake, he has in fact lamented for this act of silent assent and submitted his resignation in acceptance of his failure to stem the tide of infidelities to the vision and mission of CFC. The point is does sole culpability always rest on him when there are point persons in the Council primarily accountable for the project? Will the burden of accountability always rest on Frank when the council is undoubtedly a collegial and fraternal body where the members of the body operate as equals? The concept of command responsibility may inhere in groups which are led. However, in a collegial and fraternal body, the fault of one is the fault of all.

2. We have it from Bro. Frank himself that he did not actively support the program to the extent that the IC has dramatized it. As Chair of GK then, he was not directly involved in the actual operations of Gawad Kalusugan which is still headed by Dr. Joe Yamamoto.

i wish FFL never said this. to me this is a clear case of washing of hands.

CFC-FFL response: As we said in the above reply, what may be misplaced is placing the sole culpability on Frank when the Council is a collegial and fraternal body. Even pastorally, it operates as a household which is not led and each member is the pastor of another

AS WE SPEAK, CONGRESS IS POISED TO DELIBERATE AND POSSIBLY APPROVE AN APPROPRIATION OF 2 BILLION PESOS FOR THE DISTRIBUTION OF FREE CONTRACEPTIVES. AS IN THE PAST, WE HAVE TO FIGHT THIS MOVE AS PART OF OUR COVENANT AND ADVOCACY. WE HOPE YOU UNDERSTAND AND APPRECIATE THAT THE FIGHT GOES BEYOND CFC AND GK AND THE PHARMAS BECAUSE IT IS A FIGHT TO PROTECT THE SACREDNESS AND DIGNITY OF LIFE ITSELF.

Congress is mentioned here. may i ask if w can count on ms.cynthia villar to oppose the appropriation for this. or will it be the opposite?

are you aware that ms.cynthia villar is a sponsor/author of HB4110/3773 which CFC/Teodora/FEED vehemently oppose? let me answer it for you - YES, YOU ARE AWARE! then why partner with ms.cynthia villar?

CFC-FFL response: Your reaction seems to be a misapplication of the issue and using the argument tangentially to involve another party. Ms. Villar's involvement in being part of the so-called bill may have escaped notice and we shall be reaching out to make the stand of CFC-FFL known to her. In the particular case at hand, it also behooves the IC to rescind the GK partnerships with the pharma companies concerned since they know now that these firms are involved in the manufacture and sale of contraceptives.

By the way, the partner of Ms. Villar is GK. Shall we also ask GK to stop its partnership with her?

Her support for this bill is because she is concerned about women issues. She, however, is pro-life. If there are things she needs to appreciate from the Catholic perspective we shall try to impart that to her. For your information, Ms. Villar is a Protestant.


on Truth Series 4.1, Oct 05 2007
3. In view of the public announcement of Tony Meloto about not discriminating about the products and services and any potential donor manufactures and/or sells, the bishops also said that if GK wants to continue said practices which go against Christian beliefs and teachings, it can do so provided it exists like any other socio-civic organization and/or NGO, but not as one linked to a faith community organization like CFC.

on the discrimination issue - i think i saw or heard one church official that the Catholic church accepts donation from PAGCOR. i am just unsure, please correct me if am wrong. i think we all know that PAGCOR runs the casinos which is against Christian teachings. again, please correct me if i am wrong.

CFC-FFL response: There are 2 points to stress here: 1. Regarding the Church official; you may have missed the last part of his statement that even though he accepts donations from PAGCOR, "the devil remains to be his enemy." 2. PAGCOR is involved in gaming activities. Gambling, per se, is an indifferent act. It becomes a wrongdoing if done in excess. It could become sinful if it ends up in families and livelihoods being destroyed and the deleterious spread effects it may have in terms of social costs.

on Truth on Contraceptives
Depo- Provera Injectable Hormonal Contraceptive..., - bought at Mercury Drug Corporation, Pasig Fun Ranch, Frontera Verde, Pasig City, September 25 , 2007, at 5:14 PM under OR # 043376
Femenal Oral Contraceptive..., - bought at Watson's, SM Supercenter Pasig (Frontera Verde), Sept 25, 2007, at 5:10PM, Inv No. 181398



FAP/FFL, i really salute you for stooping this low like buying such products just to prove your point.

CFC-FFL response: We are for truth and are factual in raising issues, unlike others who simply malign and spread disinformation. This is a reaction we take strong exception to. There is nothing wrong whatsoever in finding out if the products are still sold over the counter because the Church authorities have ruled on Aug. 28, 2007 that it expects the IC to investigate said cases. Has the IC done its supposed work and assignment from Aug. 28 to Sept. 25, the date of the purchases? Has the IC, in compliance with its promise, done due diligence during that period? Or did it take our purchase and expose' to move the IC to action? THE TRUTH HURTS, DOESN'T IT? You may have your values misplaced when you speak about being factual, maligning and spreading disinformation. The shoe seems to be on the other foot. After being caught with a bare-faced untruth, please do not reverse our roles.

but why now? why did we not check this out Sept 2005 before we even signed the MOA? is it because back then it is not an issue? CFC-

I have not seen the MOA and i am not even aware of such partnerships until now. earlier on i asked what the scope of the partnership is. i assume the partnership is to provide free or cheap medicines to our GK beneficiaries coming from these pharma companies, right?

who defines what medicines are required - i assume that it will be CFC what medicines are needed by GK or by the beneficiaries. i think these are medicines for cough, flu, colds, headaches, diarrhea, TB and for most common diseases... but i supposed CFC will not ask Depo-provera, oral contraceptives, pills from these pharmas. did we ask for depo-provera? oral contraceptives? pills? from these pharmas during the course of two years?

CFC-FFl response: Now that we both know that these pharmas do manufacture and sell artificial contraceptives, the question is what does the IC do given the stand of the Church? It seems the burden of taking action is in your hands

my last question. talk about pro-life, can you boldly state that ALL of members of FFL do not use contraceptives?

in 2004 or 2005, statistics showed that majority of CFC still use contraceptives. we could not turn the tide and ask the members to be NATURAL. we are all guilty of this. so dont put the blame and point a finger at others. you are part to blame.

CFC-FFL response: Your question can be likened to lawmakers who think that they can legislate behavior and compliance just because there is a law. The more relevant question to ask is if CFC has actively promoted the use of the pro-life practices in its activities and programs? Does it still do so up to now? The answer is yes to both questions, except that we don't know if the IC still wants to pursue this activity because as we speak, the partnerships with the pharmas still persist and exist.

in Sept 2005, when the MOA was signed you did not lift a finger. then why do it now?

CFC-FFL response: Believe this has been sufficiently replied to earlier.

i hope you will be able to shed light on my questions.

thanks and God bless.

jiggs

God bless you too.

Couple for Christ Foundation for Family and Life


Well there you have it folks.

Now for my own set of questions...

"...he has in fact lamented for this act of silent assent and submitted his resignation in acceptance of his failure to stem the tide of infidelities to the vision and mission of CFC."
From what we've already gathered in this blog, the initial decision to resign did not stem from Frank, but from Tony Meloto. Does that mean Frank was not considering his lamentations until Tony resigned? Why then and not before, if he felt the guilt of silent assent already?

"...what may be misplaced is placing the sole culpability on Frank when the Council is a collegial and fraternal body."

It seems this is a new tack the FFL is taking, the whole collegial body argument. Even taking into consideration that by all past accounts, Frank LED the council and made many decisions without consulting the council (the Teodora/Villar tie up is an example, although that can arguably be attributable to Gerry Padilla), FP himself, in his long-winded 13 page resignation letter, exhorts us to support the council wholeheartedly:
Brothers and sisters, please support the four brothers in the council. Please give them your whole-hearted support because the council also helps us to move forward in unity of heart and mind.
All major decisions are made by the assent of all, or in this case, of Frank, but his last words to all CfC members was to stand behind the remaining 4 council members, giving the impression that they have his full support, blessings, and trust in their actions in their eventual leadership role.

"Your reaction seems to be a misapplication of the issue and using the argument tangentially to involve another party."
No, I actually think it is quite clear. A partnership by any definition is a PARTNERSHIP.

"Ms. Villar's involvement in being part of the so-called bill may have escaped notice..."
I doubt this very much, but lets take their word for it for now. I'm glad we were able to help in bringing this to their attention. The question now is, will Mrs. Villar change her stand, or will FFL move its offices?


"Her support for this bill is because she is concerned about women issues. She, however, is pro-life. If there are things she needs to appreciate from the Catholic perspective we shall try to impart that to her. For your information, Ms. Villar is a Protestant."
Wow. The simple argument that the FFL is making is that explicit AND/OR implicit support for anti-life activities is (such as accepting donations of life-saving TB medicines from a pharma who supposedly distributes or makes contraceptives) is UNchristian. So her being a Protestant makes it ok? Is being pro-life an exclusive Catholic perspective? Surely the explicit support for a bill that will have a vast effect on the public distribution of contraceptives would fall under such a label as well?

And also, does the FFL now include Protestants in its ranks? Then surely, mormons should be allowed in GK sites? That is a GREAT business decision, it will certainly help swell the FFL membership roll. Dont' take my word for it though, It's best to check, you may have to be a good friend of Gerry Padilla's first. =)

1. Regarding the Church official; you may have missed the last part of his statement that even though he accepts donations from PAGCOR, "the devil remains to be his enemy."
I take this to mean that what's good for the Church isn't good for CfC, because we could say the same thing and still be vilified by the FFL.

"...Church authorities have ruled on Aug. 28, 2007 that it expects the IC to investigate said cases. Has the IC done its supposed work and assignment from Aug. 28 to Sept. 25, the date of the purchases?"
Who's to say an investigation had NOT been done? Obviously when you query the company in question about its business activities, it will take some time to research, compose, and properly document an official response and stance. Did the IC not release a statement showing their progress in looking into the matter? My point is, these are not decisions done in haste, especially after the company had responded to the matter already.

15 comments:

DBC said...

Dear CFC Brethren,

Straight from FFL, their new defensive stance is:

"CFC-FFL response: As we said in the above reply, what may be misplaced is placing the sole culpability on Frank when the Council is a collegial and fraternal body."

If the CFC Council is a collegial and fraternal body as raised by FFL during Bro. Frank's tenure, how come the decision to use the logo of CFC/Teodora in the TV ad campaign of Senator Manny Villar was carried out without the knowledge & approval of the previous Council members (Bros. Padilla, Meloto, Ponte, Tale and Maipid)? Can you (FFL) please answer this?

I agree with FFL though that the current CFC-IC is truly NOW a collegial & fraternal body after undergoing purification of mind & spirit.

God bless!!!

jiggs said...

mga kapatid,

ang BP niyo ha...
ang puso niyo rin ha...


ako cool na ako... i think! :)

washing of hands can be done anytime of the year, not just during Lent.

PEACE - jiggs

Wolsink said...

Alam ko jiggs, pareho lang tayong high blood eh. Di ko na lang papatulan yan baka ma-edit ulit ni CD. At baka mamatay pa ako dahil lamang sa FFL. I would rather die because of Couples for Christ. Let's just pray for them. Sa CFC Forum na lang ako babanat.

Peace to all FFL - wolsink

Anonymous said...

I can't help but wondering whether we need to also focus some coordinated resource on the information we have garnered from varied sources regarding this contraceptive angle.

For instance:

1. We have the earlier advice from priestsforlife.org regarding how partnering with a pharmaceutical company is acceptable to the church (even if that company might produce a contraceptive). Included in this email was a sound analysis of why this is so.

2. We have the other examples someone listed, including the Catholic Medical Missions Board, whose long term partner Becton Dickinson also carries, interestingly enough, Depo-Provera

3. We have the organization Cumvivium, a Vatican partnership with companies including 80% of the world's generic pharmaceutical industry. Are we to suppose that in this 80%, none happen to be the companies that carry the many contraceptive medicines out there?

4. A quick bit of research will bring up the Vatican's finding that Catholics are ok to vaccinate their children for German Measles (Rubella), despite this vaccine having originally being created from deliberately aborted fetuses.
The reasoning is explained soundly in their release on this, and surrounds the indirectness of the act (forty years ago), and the comparative evil of our effect on society (women and children) should we not use the vaccine.

I think the Church seems to put the partnership of GK and pharmaceutical companies on solid ground, providing GK does not distribute contraceptives to GK villages.

Given the FFL leadership have not (yet) attempted to resort to such a visibly ridiculous assertion, it seems that they might indeed be barking up the wrong tree.

Is it time to really start absolutely securing and promoting the Vatican's stance on this issue?

If it is as Priests For Life, a Vatican commended organization (check their website), says, then GK (and hence, the IC, the real object of the FFL leaders' spurious attacks) can be publicly vindicated.

Their sincerity in this issue has never been in doubt, as far as I can see. Let's help them with the facts.

Anonymous said...

Hello brothers and sisters,

bakit na lang hindi tanggapin ng FFL na ang hidwaan ng mga dating leaders natin na na sa kanila na ay dahil sa mga taong hindi kaya ang tapang ng mga asawa nila!

This development alone exposing the inconsistencies of FFL on many issues is now giving us the right understanding that indeed CFC under the leadership of the present IC is doing the right thing and the most CHRISTIAN in fact in handling the many issues of our community.

i just feel sad on the decision of our brothers and sisters abroad in joining FFL with an atmosphere of lies and deception straight from the mouth of brother frank padilla.

It is now very clear that FFL is changing their facts to fit their position.

How sad!

roundeyedtoddler said...

Please check if my understanding is correct:

Logic #1 - On the Church's stand on PAGCOR contributions to Church programs
Fact 1.1. The Church stands strongly against gambling.
Fact 1.2. The Church is pro-poor.
Fact 1.3. PAGCOR operates gambling casinos.
Fact 1.4. PAGCOR patronizes the Church by giving it money.
Fact 1.5. The Church receives money from PAGCOR but maintains its anti-gambling stand
CONCLUSION: Gambling is evil, but let us allow PAGCOR to help the poor.

Logic #2 - On the FFL stand on Villar's involvement in the anti-life bill in Congress
Fact 2.1. FFL is a pro-life Catholic community.
Fact 2.2. Villar is co-author of this anti-life bill in Congress
Fact 2.3. Villar gives FFL an office space in Star Mall.
Fact 2.4. FFL receives Villar's patronage but maintains its pro-life stand
CONCLUSION: The bill is evil, but let us allow Villar to help FFL.

Logic #3 - On the FFL stand on Pfizer's involvement in GK
Fact 3.1. CFC is a pro-life Catholic community.
Fact 3.2. CFC is pro-poor and holds GK as one of its pillars.
Fact 3.3. Pfizer manufactures drugs, some of which are contraceptives.
Fact 3.4. Pfizer patronizes GK by giving it money.
Fact 3.5. GK receives money from PAGCOR but maintains its pro-life stand
CONCLUSION: Contraceptives are evil, but let us allow Pfizer to get involved in GK.

The Conclusion in Logic #3 is based on the reasoning you find in Logic #1 and Logic #2. But Frank would want Logic #3 to have this conclusion: Contraceptives are evil, Pfizer is evil, therefore GK should abandon Pfizer! But applying that kind of logic will mean that the conclusion in Logic #2 should be: The bill is evil, Villar is evil, therefore FFL must distance itself from Villar. That's unacceptable to FFL, right? How about Logic #1, it would then read, Gambling is evil, PAGCOR is evil, therefore the Church must distance itself from PAGCOR. That's not the way the Church thinks, right?

Do I get the drift?
Do you get the drift?

Logic #3 has more facts to it that read:
Fact 3.6. Frank hates Pfizer
Fact 3.7. Frank resigned as CFC Director, along with Tony and Lachie, then asked everyone to suport the remaining four members of the Council
Fact 3.8. The remaining members of the Council started working
Fact 3.7. Frank did not like the way the remaining members of the Council worked
Fact 3.8. Frank wanted the remaining four to resign also
Fact 3.9. The remaining members did not agree with Frank
Fact 3.10. The remaining members of the Council and the Elders Assembly did not nominate Frank to the new Board of Elders nor to the new Council
Fact 3.11. The Elders Assembly went on with the Election despite Frank's lobbying against it, dragging the clergy into it
Fact 3.12. Frank is no longer part of the leadership of CFC.
FRANK'S CONCLUSION: Contraceptives are evil, Pfizer is evil, GK has veered away, The IC does not listen to me, The Elders Assembly disobeys the church... lo and behold, here's FFL to ensure your salvation
CFC'S CONCLUSION: Contraceptives are evil, but let us allow Pfizer to get involved in GK. Furthermore, let us allow Frank to leave CFC and form FFL. He ain't heavy, he's our brother.

Which conclusion appeals to you?

The RoundEyedToddler

jiggs said...

roundeyed,

they have been consistently inconsistent!

when applied to CFC hindi puede, when applied to EFEFEL puede?!!!


ang gulo no...

to Anonymous of October 22, 2007 7:18 PM on the Priests for Life response

when i sent this email, that one has not been posted yet. i could have included that in my email. eh ayaw ko na ding mag-reply pa eh... kse naman puro hugas-kamay.

mabuti sana mag hawak-kamay na lang tayo tulad ng mga MD sa LA.

PEACE - jiggs

acc wc said...

Dagdagan ko yong logic ni roundeyedtoddler;

1. The draft of letter of Bishop Soc was erroneously sent to Gerry B instead of Gerry P.
2. Gerry B brings to the attention of the IC the scheme of Frank and his minions(i.e.to get back his position in CFC thru the bishops)
3. The Easter group once more is exposed because of Gerry B.
4. Gerry B is the President of Pfizer.
5. Frank P hates Gerry B because of the expose.
6. Therefore Frank P also hates Pfizer.

roundeyedtoddler said...

Gerry B is president of Pfizer? I didn't know that.

Hahahaha!

WOW!

Sigh!

Ano ba nangyayari rito sa idol kong si Frank? Namimersonal? Grabe na itooooooo!

Frankly, in one of our First Friday Assemblies, which for that particular day, naging Cluster Assembly, I shared how I used to idolize Frank, how I avidly read his books, and how I am passionately CFC because of what I have read in his books: Facing the Future, Fulfilling the Mandate, Females are Fabulous, etc. Me copy rin ako ng Friend or Foe, as in hinanap ko talaga sa Center ang book na yon.

It was absolutely painful to me to one day find myself completely and passionately disagreeing with many of Frank's papers that freely circulate around. Most notable of them all was the email that later on appeared in their website as Moving Forward #3. My former Chapter Head sent it to me and my present Chapter Head was surprised I had it. In short, ginapang kami ng misis ko. But I told my former Chapter Head bluntly that I'm staying and I find no reason to even consider being on the other side. I then sent text messages to everyone there's no need to make any change. That's my humble contribution in this battle.

The RoundEyedToddler

Anonymous said...

makohelet,

ang hirap talaga pag sobra ang talino kasi kahit gaano ka mali pwede itama. kasi if CFC does it mali but if ffl does it ok lang. if its wrong to partner with pfizer or wyeth then why:
1. maribel descallar and mr. righteous (nonong contreras) sent solicitation letter to wyeth asking for contributions...hmmm
2. if partnering or recieving resoures from this companies is a sin then why is the bishops not one in there stand? ibig sabihin ba na hindi lahat ng bishops holy? or mas holy si FAP n FFL?
3. is it that the CBCP is not issuing statement asking all catholics to boycott this companies and all companies for that matter that are not catholic enough.
additional questions for the breakaway group ffl:
1. your accusing the IC of not being obedient to the bishops...now that some bishops are recognizing only the CFC (IC) does that mean that you will not enter that diocese? btw why are entering, so whose the disobedient one? fyi lang no diocese including antipolo has ever band CFC but meron nag band ng FFL.
2. FAP/FFL if your saying that you love the poor why are threatening the residents of CFC intl village of eviction if they will not join ffl? fyi lang ask pancho and jun junia...
3. if the cfc is a collegial body why is maribel always prepares 2 financial staement one for FAP and another for OTHERS...btw the 2 FS is different from one another. (may tinatago ba/)
4. tanong lang po why did FAP and Gerry P had a meeting with Joe de venicia (speaker) and arrange by cynthia villar? ano pinag usapan nila? and bakit kailangan siraan si tito Tony? akala ko ba wala dapat maligning?
5. tanong lang if GK will end their partnership with cynthia villar because of signing the bill will FFL also vacate the star mall office and return the P4million they recieve?
6. by the way because of the overwhelming support the villars is giving the ffl will they campaign for him on 2010? nako ingat its 13-0 all over again...fyi lang it was FAP's idea also.
7. xavy you said that you found a lot of comonalities with raffy especially sa vision...does that mean that your dad was wrong in kicking tito lito urgino out of cfc?
8. for the record all this trouble started when FAP fired the 1st shot...then the easter bunnies was convened so stop pointing your finger on the IC
this will be for now...ffl please i need to be restored hope you can answer my queries...

Desperately Seeking Joe de V said...

I take it from the posting of "Anonymous, Oct 24, 2007 6:28 PM" that The Speaker of the House of Representatives, Rep Jose de Venecia, recently had a visitor from FFL, the Padilla couple?

If this is true, isn't this a very pitiful sight, and bit of news that may be petty but this implies that in FFL's desperation to get themselves accepted by the Securities and Exchange Commission as a corporation piggy-backing on the name "Couples for Christ", the leader whom we almost raised in so high a pedestal, whom we almost addressed with words like "Eminence" / "Highness", now has to seek audience with a top politician?

Ano na ba talaga ang nangyari sa ating dating kapatid na Frank Padilla? Hindi ba apolitical ang personality niya. Parang yung Frank Padilla and politics, specially the kind of politics were a religious leader needs a favor from a politician, parang hindi maganda yan di ba?

Yung humingi ng favor sa mga politico para sa buhay ng mahirap, para mabigyan ng bahay ang mga "squatter", at mabago at kanilang karangalan, hindi ba mas marangal na gawain yon, kaysa bisitahin mo ang isang politico, para humingi ng tulong, ng sa pamamagitan ng "political influence" na politico ay matulungan silang maregister ang FFL?

Para namang masyadong naging "cheap" ang approach na ito? Bakit kaya hindi dinaan na lang ng mga leaders ng FFL sa dasal ang kanilang hiling na magtagumpay ma-register ang FFL na may mga katagang CFC?

Akala ko si Senator Manny Villar na ang tumutulong sa kanila sa SEC for this objective? Sabi nila meron din daw dating Congressman ng Quezon City ang kanila padrino for this effort, ngayon kasali na si Joe De Venecia?

Our is it a matter of covering all fronts: Senate, Congress...alin pa Supreme Court? Ombudsman? Office of the President?

All these for the insistence that FFL needs all the recognition so that Vatican can be swayed to eventually give them a recognition too?

For what? For the pride and joy of Frank and his Easter/Playboy & Bunnies Group, and the embarrassment of IC?

But you know I could be wrong, maybe they went to visit the Speaker to evangelize the Speaker and his family to a forthcoming CLP.

SANA!!

Anonymous said...

Can anyone post the so called solicitation letter of maribel and nonong to wyeth?

jiggs said...

Anonymous of October 24, 2007 6:28 PM

you mentioned:

1. maribel descallar and mr. righteous (nonong contreras) sent solicitation letter to wyeth...

additional questions for the breakaway group ffl:

2. FAP/FFL if your saying that you love the poor why are threatening the residents of CFC intl village of eviction...
3. if the cfc is a collegial body why is maribel always prepares 2 financial staement one for FAP and another for OTHERS...
4. tanong lang po why did FAP and Gerry P had a meeting with Joe de venicia (speaker) and arrange by cynthia villar? ano pinag usapan nila? and bakit kailangan siraan si tito Tony?...

please i need to be restored hope you can answer my queries...


you mentioned a lot of things in your comment (that i HIGHLIGHTED in BOLD) do you have some proofs/circumstances of these existence? magaling ang bubwit mo bro! please post them at the CFC Forum http://defendingcfc.phpbbweb.com/

would you want to email this to FFL so they can respond - sumasagot naman sila eh. or will you allow me to email it to them?

PEACE - jiggs! CFC is it!

just asking said...

Her support for this bill is because she is concerned about women issues. She, however, is pro-life. If there are things she needs to appreciate from the Catholic perspective we shall try to impart that to her. For your information, Ms. Villar is a Protestant.

Hmm, so how would FFL reconcile this with:

Though a Catholic community, CFCFFL is open to membership by non-Catholic Christians, who can join as associate members. Associate members can participate fully in the non-sacramental life and mission of CFCFFL, and must recognize and defer to the Catholic nature of the community. Non-Catholic associates, though remaining faithful to their Church, have to accept, respect, and defer to the principles and teachings of the Catholic Church on marriage, human sexuality and the family.

By the way, I copied this excerpt from the FFL Statutes on the FFL website:

http://www.cfcffl.org/about_us/cfcffl_statutes_20070730.htm

Anonymous said...

Shocking truth or lie!!!...
Last two weeks ago Rey Magno visited Vienna..(to see for himself
the vast damage created by Frank
Padilla here)Rey was questioned by
a brother about the separation.
He confided that... he has commited a mistake choosing the FFL
side!!!...talaga and now ha has no group in the UK!.