Days? Weeks? Months? Years???You be the judge:Talk about having to read the fine print. Sheesh.Thanks goes out to the eagle eyed reader who emailed this to me. Keep it up!
tagal na pala ng FFL noh?? 15years na pala sila.. well..
This is totally outrageous!!!How can this be possible when their (FFL) SEC registration has been disapproved or at least pending?This is an unfortunate development and I feel sad about how our FFL brethren could behave like this.Let's all bow down our heads and offer a prayer for our lost brethren. God bless us all!!!
Maybe 15 years, reconning the year the "BOYS" took CFC away from Ligaya and registered Couples For Christ as their own.
Kinikilabutan ako...What 15 years are they celebrating? FFL has not even been granted its corporate status? I hope an FFL member could explain this. Celebrating the time when Frank left Ligaya? Phew!!! How can thinking men, former CFC elders just accept and condone this?
FFL Palawan claims 15 years of existence !!!Well I thought FFL is only for the TRUTH !!What is known in Puerto Princesa is that they got organized only last August 17, 2007 (informally that is after Frank Padilla's visit, which was mis-billed to be a CFC meeting).So if that day was their formal organization date then that is exactly 71 days only up to today !!How can 71 days be stretched to 15 years????Imagination gone wild!Imagination leading to lies!Lies honoring the father of liars.Thank you CFC Puerto member for sending this photo to CD !!
This is one great example of an effort that was not subjected to discernment and prayer. (For once I think it is right to judge!)The audacity, shameless and brazen boldness of the leader or leaders of the local FFL who did this is an embarassment indeed, (not only to FFL but to CFC as well, for these ex-CFC-now-FFL persons, were once our brothers!) Saan bang probinsya yung town of Paleco? Ano bang klaseng FFL brother ang nag-lagay nyan? I think even the national leaders of FFL like Frank Padilla, Oscar Contraras and Roland Nillas would not approve of this act! For all these gentlemen know deep in their hearts that this is a blatant lie made public! A real lie, FRank Padilla would not be caught saying.So brother in the town of Paleco, please send an apology letter to Frank Padilla!
This is what I would call KAPALANG GARAPALAN !!!Sinaniban na ba talaga itong mga FFL na ito?
"Living Up To Your Name."This is a good example of the above statement.Maybe that's why they named the town Paleco, PALIKO KASI ehhh. . .
Must be part of their illusion that they never left CFC...Wake up! In Tagalog, Hoy Gising!
Mga kapatid,Puede po pag-pasensyahan ninyo na ho yung mga taga FFL ng Puerto Princesa na nag-declara ng 15 years na po ang FFL.Ang totoo po, ang CFC Palawan po ay 15 years nang naglilingkod sa Diyos.Ang katotohanang pong ito ay alam at hindi i-kakaila po nina Bro. Tamel at Sis. Maribel Descallar. Alam din po ito nina Frank Padilla at Lachie Agana.Yan po talaga ang totoo.At saka po pala, yung pong PALECO ay hindi po pangalan ng bayan sa Purto Princesa, ito po ay pangalan ng Palawan Electric Cooperative, sila po ang may ari ng Gym.Ang mga leaders po dito ng FFL sa Palawan ay sil Manny Natividad, Tisoy Montero at Dennis Ortega. Sila po ang mag aaring mag paliwanag kung bakit nila inisip na 15 years na po sila.Talaga pong mali. Pasensya na po.FFL na san rin ako, pero ngayon po marami na rin akong duda. Nakakahiya po talaga ang mali na ito.
Relax lang mga kapatid. At this point nothing seems to surprise me anymore. It looks like they need to affirm their false claims to themselves such that by repeating them they might believe that they are true.If they choose to delude themselves, let them. Sooner or later the truth will stare them in the eye and, hopefully, will come to realize they have been fooled.So, just ignore na lang and remember, "Ang naiinis, talo!".
LOL nakakatawa tayong lahat. isang couple na lumipat sa epepel ng paleco ang nagselebreyt ng 15th anniversary nila with cfC andcarried their 'tenure' with them. according to my fren. coinciding with the establishment of the community in the site.jiggs, dbc and da rest of da braders, inom muna kayo ng gamot para sa HBP nyo. he he LMAOanyone, believing such claim must not be in the right frame of mind. kahit hindi natin nakita 'yan. accountable pa rin sila sa "Itaas."" The favorite work of the Devil is to infiltrate the minds of God's people. mga kapatid natin yan na na-misguide. let our brethren there correct them with love."
mga kapatid,wag na nating ikatuwa kung ano ang mga kamalian na nagawa sa kabila.lets continue to pray for them and accept them as our brothers and sisters in the Lord.
Luke 12: 49-53Jesus said to his disciples: "I have come to set the earth on fire, and how I wish it were already blazing! There is a baptism with which I must be baptized, and how great is my anguish until it is accomplished! Do you think that I have come to establish peace on the earth? No, I tell you, but rather division. From now on a household of five will be divided, three against two and two against three; a father will be divided against his son and a son against his father, a mother against her daughter and a daughter against her mother, a mother-in-law against her daughter-in-law and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law."
taga paleco said:FFL na san rin ako, pero ngayon po marami na rin akong duda. Nakakahiya po talaga ang mali na ito.bro, wala namang problema if you chose to come back to CFC. marami namang bumalik na after realizing the TRUTH! although marami ding nahihiya na bumalik. pero WE WELCOME you back. boobooweet,okay na ang BP ko... problema ko ngayon SUGAR ko... masarap kse ang banana split and fruit salad! hehehe...those going to the GK1World later [Friday] and even Saturday. ipa-announce na lang sa banda during the concert kung may mga CFC Bloggers dun and tell where you are. Will try to be there tonight! any color daw ang suot basta ORANGE (not apple or banana ha?!)God bless CFC !!! - jiggs
eh mang ernie, tanong lang sagot ka ng sagot dito sa blog tunay na CFC ka ba?...di ba umalis ka na kasama nina Urgino? bat ka nakikigulo dito?nagtatanong lang naman...
c.d. bakit kapag kayo nanunuya ng tao pinopost mo sa blog mo...kapag may nakita kang hindi mo gusto na laban sayo hindi mo pinopost? ano ba talaga 'tong blog mo puro ka defense eh nasan ang offense?
c.d. dapat yatang itawag mo dito sa blog mo eh in offense of the real CFC...puro kayo offense eh...kami eh ayaw mong pagbigyan sabihin and opinyon namin...
Anonymous:Asan ang opinyon nyo?
eto opinyon ko sa mga taong nanunuya dito...kala nyo ba makadiyos ang ginagawa nyo? okei lang yung pinopost mong mga opisyal na dokumento pero bakit kailangan nyo pang manuya ng tao?
may pa _od bless _od bless pa kayo dito...eh tingin nyo ba binebless Nya ginagawa nyo ditong panlalait?
nasan na post ko?
ang tatapang ng apog nyo dito kala nyo kung sino kayong magsasalita...eh bakit kaya hindi nyo na lang puntahan si Frank Padilla sa bahay nila at duon nyo sabihin lahat nyong gusto sabihin pati mga panlalait nyo dito?
ano bakit hindi mo mapost cd?
ano na pare nasan na post ko?
ano cd bat ayaw mong ipost opinyon ko? kung lait laitin nyo mga miyembro ng CFC ang gagaling nyo kapag kayo nalalait ayaw mo nang ilagay sa blog...ano sagutan na tayo...
kung palaban ka talaga CD iopen mo tong blog mo kahit sino pedeng magpost...
mga kapatid,sa ganang akin lang naman, sana huwag ninyong mamasamain, this blogspot was more effective before when it was simply presenting facts - emails, documents, events to disprove half truths, misrepresentations, even outright lies thrown by ffl towards cfc. the site was truly an eye opener and helped a lot of members like me to know the truth and to really discern and make the right decision.kaya lang, sa ngayon, it seems that the site is 'veering away' (no pun intended) from it's original mission - "from in defense of the real cfc" to in attack of the false cfc.sa kin lang naman, i think we can do better with our comments.
I wonder what they will be saying in Talk No. 11, Life and Mission of Couples for Christ (check your expanded outline), that is, if they really are conducting CLPs.probably they have made their own new set of talks... just like their making a new set of (FFL) covenant, vision and mission, etc... maybe FFL is going around saying that CFC has *changed its name* to CFC-FFL. naturally, everyone will follow, without presenting what is really happening.
Anonymous:hinahon lang, there really is a delay in posts because I have to get to them and approve them. I am allowing your posts so that people can see how bad you must be feeling.As for those saying I am on the offensive now, what do you call the repeated emails of the FFL proclaiming how many countries have gone over to their side? How about a misleading banner hinting that they've been operating for 15 years (anniversary = years), what can you say about Frank's talks attacking the IC? (check the FFL site under downloads, try the laguna one for starters)Is it called attacking when I draw attention to their inconsistencies? Is it called attacking when I publish documents that prove their words wrong? If they did not release statements that have misleading words in them, would I have to react? Answers please.
alam mo CD sabi ko nga okei lang magpost ng opisyal na dokumento eh noh pero bakit manlalait ka pa ng tao? Kung me tanong ka talaga kay Frank Padilla at masama loob mo bakit hindi mo puntahan sa bahay nila? Alam mo bang pinagtatawanan na CFC ng mga tao dahil sa gulo dadagdagan nyo pa dito? Kung sa tingin mo nagsisinungaling aba tawagan mo na kaya kesa magkumpol kumpol kayo dito para hamakin at tuyain yung tao? anong sa tingin mo?
i agree with p.e. hinay hinay lang mga kapatid.from the looks of things, lurking around for awhile and digesting the different comments from both sides i say:1. stop the banana split jokes already. 2. although whatever feelings you may have for tito frank, i think it's best we leave those acronyms we choose to concoct in our minds -- in our minds.3. let's stick to facts, try as we might let's put ourselves in their shoes. psychoanalyze or better yet try to come up with things that will better our understanding of their reasons for some statements, actions, etc. it's not bad to speculate but label speculation or guesses as such.also i again would like to tell to the anonymous who is like commenting like a madman in this post: you're starting to sound like spam, hinay hinay lang sa comment.. somewhere there may post si C.D. sa kung bakit in place ang comment moderation, i hope you have time to read it. what's in there i think is common sense.now on to the topic of this pic, 1 word: honest mistake. ^_^
eto ah kung hindi ka pa nakaka attend ng teaching ng CFC - Living as a People of God Talk# 4 Peace and Discipline para sa ating dalawa4. Speech and wrongdoing.a) Wrong speech can be destructive. We must guard our speech carefully.b) Basic principle: don’t judge others. Mt.7:1-2.* Meaning in James 4:11-12. Do not speak out against, speak ill, make accusations. 1Pet.2:1c) If we see wrongdoing, go to the person and reprove him. Or go the person’s head of to another elder.d) We should not readily believe accusations against brethren.e) We should not give negative evaluations of how others conduct their service unless we are responsible over their service.f) Never insult or abuse anyone.
gusto mo CD email ko na lang sayo itong buong teaching tungkol dito para ipost mo dito sa blog mo para naman may facts din di ba?
Anonymous NA GALIT, Cool ka lang! Wala naman palang laman ang opinyon mo eh. Wala rin akong nakukuhang magandang asal sa opinyon mo.
Tama ka CD!!! I am one with you!!!Don't be intimidated by their (FFL) words. You are just presenting to everyone the facts. The comments are coming from the bloggers. If you are simply presenting in this blogsite the real events, statements and declarations from both sides, you are NOT attacking anyone. TRUTH HURTS!!! REALITY BITES!!!Keep it up!!! Let's move forward and upward!!! God bless us all!!!
Dear Anonymous WHO said... alam mo CD sabi ko nga okei lang magpost ng opisyal na dokumento eh noh pero bakit manlalait ka pa ng tao? Sino po ang nilait ko? Baka feeling mo lang na nilalait dahil meron tinatamaan? Kung mali ang sinasabi ko, paki correct nalang ako. Pero hinga muna, mashado ka ata galit.Also, we've already asked Frank these things, look up the fortes and fides q & a. The answers are also misleading.Kung hindi sila nag lalabas ng hindi katotohanan, hindi sila mapapahamak dito. That's the bottom line. Hindi ako naghahanap ng hindi totoo. If they keep releasing statements/accusations that are untrue, they will continue to be exposed here. Also, after you post, relax ka lang, I'm not on the computer 24/7. I WILL get to your post and respond. Patience kapatid.About this: Anonymous said... eto ah kung hindi ka pa nakaka attend ng teaching ng CFC - Living as a People of God Talk# 4 Peace and Discipline para sa ating dalawa 4. Speech and wrongdoing. a) Wrong speech can be destructive. We must guard our speech carefully. b) Basic principle: don’t judge others. Mt.7:1-2. * Meaning in James 4:11-12. Do not speak out against, speak ill, make accusations. 1Pet.2:1 c) If we see wrongdoing, go to the person and reprove him. Or go the person’s head of to another elder. d) We should not readily believe accusations against brethren. e) We should not give negative evaluations of how others conduct their service unless we are responsible over their service. f) Never insult or abuse anyone.You should send that to the FFL too kapatid, because the road runs both ways.http://defendingcfc.blogspot.com/2007/10/now-wait-minute.htmlhttp://defendingcfc.blogspot.com/2007/10/another-one.htmlhttp://defendingcfc.blogspot.com/2007/10/time-to-wrap-it-up.htmlMagbasa basa ka muna kapatid and see who casts the first stone. We would not need to DEFEND anything if CFC was not being ATTACKED.Thanks.
forgive me for my offtopic linkingdon't click me if you're angrythis best describes...hope these links help. otherwise i can be called one of those in the first link.
DBC said... Tama ka CD!!! I am one with you!!!Don't be intimidated by their (FFL) words. You are just presenting to everyone the facts. The comments are coming from the bloggers. --------------------------------pinaparinggan mo ba ako...wag kang mag alala hindi ako FFL...CFC pa din ako so pagsasawaan mo post ko dito...sabi ko nga okei yung opisyal na letter pero kung hahaluan mo pa ng pang iinsulto eh iba na yun...
Anonymous: Pahabol lang.Konting hinahon, I'm asking you for the last time. Mashado ka galit at palaban dito. If you can't behave yourself then your comments will be moderated. Walang umaaway sa iyo dito, wag ka mang away. Understand?Consider this your first warning, I'll let your first few posts slide THIS TIME.
eh puro kayo email dito, email dun eh harapin nyo na ng personal? Kung si Frank ang dapat mong kausapin eh kausapin mo na kung si Nonong C. harapin mo na...puntahan nyo nga sa bahay nila...may lakas ba ng loob ang isa sa inyo na gumawa nun kesa banggit kayo ng banggit ng pangalan ni Frank dito eh umalis na nga yun ng CFC eh
alam mo CD madali naman akong kausapin eh titigil ako kung titigilan nyo pagbanggit ng mga pangalan dito na wala na sa CFC...umalis na sila period.
Mga kapatid,Let's pause for a moment and be peaceful with ourselves.Tama yung iba, hinay-hinay lang. Iwasan natin ang mga jokes, ridicule, malice, judgement, etc.There are many way to present our views but the best way for that is being humble.To the anonymous, hinay-hinay lang din brod. Ayaw mo din naman siguro na maging katulad ng mga taong tinutukoy mo.Pasensiya na kung nanga-ngaral ako.About the topic, I think it's improper, possibly an honest mistake. However, we can't attribute a mistake of 1 FFL chapter or place to the whole FFL (in the same way we can't attribute the behavior of a few bloggers to the whole of whatever side they're coming from).God bless.
wag kang mag alala CD ako eh CFC talaga lang siguro ganito akong magsalita eh dahil medyo matigas ang dila ko sa ingles. Wag kayong mag alala at di ako galit nakatawa pa nga ako eh...tanggalin na natin dito yung mga pangalan ng mga umalis na...wala na nga sila..eh ngayon mas maganda kung kausapin na lang sila kung may tanong tayo. hindi ba?
mga kapatid,magkakapatid pa ba tayo?tanong ko lang sa inyo kc parang nagsasakitan na tayo dito ah.mahal ko kayong lahat...
deovolente said... Mga kapatid,To the anonymous, hinay-hinay lang din brod. Ayaw mo din naman siguro na maging katulad ng mga taong tinutukoy mo.-------------------------------salamat sa pagawat, nabanggit ko nga na okei lang ako hindi naman ako galet siguro sa pagsasalita laang. Maganda ginagawa mo dito CD sabi ko nga lahat ng opisyal document ayos naiintidihan ng lahat, eh iwasan na lang natin banggitan ng pangalan...salamat at paumanhin sa inyong lahat
salamat sa paalala mga kapatid.kitakits tayo mamaya or bukas!
Brod Anonymous na nagsulat ng:Anonymous said... DBC said... Tama ka CD!!! I am one with you!!!Don't be intimidated by their (FFL) words. You are just presenting to everyone the facts. The comments are coming from the bloggers. --------------------------------pinaparinggan mo ba ako...wag kang mag alala hindi ako FFL...CFC pa din ako so pagsasawaan mo post ko dito...sabi ko nga okei yung opisyal na letter pero kung hahaluan mo pa ng pang iinsulto eh iba na yun...October 26, 2007 2:56 PM ___________________________________Peace brod!!!Wala naman akong iniinsulto sa sinabi ko ah! You are putting "color" to my words. All my comments were posted by CD and I have NOT insulted anyone here. Relax ka lang, baka tumaas B.P. mo. We are just engage here in exchanging our views and perceptions. Kung 'di mo kaya tanggapin ang katotohanan, please keep away from this blogsite.May God bless you!!!
anonymous, sabi mo taga CFC ka di ba? ano ba yang init ng ulo mo out of frustration na rin ba?musta naman ang CFC sa inyo? musta ang FFL, marami bang napunta dun?
cool lang.. mga 'tol, madadaan ang lahat sa hinahon... buti pa mag palamaig tayong lahat sa MOA....kitakits, naka green ako --- (sabi kasi ng household head ko mag green kaming lahat eh...)
sino ang may kakilala kay Shok Ariola, Clarke Nebrao et al ng Africa? Paki clear kung sino at ano ang service nila noon, ngayon....etc. Thanks please. Balita mga strong CFC GMFI missionaries daw yun, I just need toknow who they are...thanks!Looking for inspiration, Missionary CFC
Anonymous na nagtatanong;My better judgement is telling me not to respond to your question"bat ka nakikigulo dito?"Since you asked let me tell you my inspiration. Actually I don't want to be involved anymore. I'm just waiting for my time to meet the LORD, but before I leave this world (because of CANCER) I just want to share some History of the Community which was never told. To share what I saw since 1982, so guys out there can make an enlightened CHOICE.If I stepped on somebody's toes, don't look at me (the person), look at the message. I was just the messenger.Don't worry, I'll not be here for long and you may not hear from me anymore. If you'll remember me sometime in the future, remember me for the TRUTH, and the truth comes in 3 words THIS IS IT....
Para kay Anonymous na mainit ang ulo sa mga negative comments at panlalait.I say welcome to this blogsite. It is nice to have a venue where you can express your feelings and opinion about some issues in CFC. ANd you see comments from both sides. Hindi katulad ng ibang blogsite diyan. Ramdam ko ang galit mo, siguro ilabas mo na ng husto by way of writing your comments. Kung maghaharap-harap kayo na mainit ang ulo eh baka lalong hindi maganda ang kakalabasan. Anyway public domain ito and anybody can read it. I believe some opinions written here are personal opinions of CD and the readers. Just like you have your own opinion. I don't take everything written here as the Ultimate Truth, we still have rely on our own intellect and God's guidance.So to CD, and the rest of the guys here keep on posting. Malay niyo ito ang maging venue and instrument for the two groups to unite. And for those who are persecuted, paki basa na lang ang 8 Beatitudes kasi may blessing ang Diyos para sa kanila.
Dear CD,May I suggest that starting tomorrow you no longer post those comments under the name "Anonymous"?I think it would be easier to identify and rightfully refer to the comment if there is distinct handle rather than the usual "anonymous" as identifier.Look at all the exchange of comments on the "15..." forum. Confusing di ba?
Tama si kapatid na My other name is Anonymous, baka hindi lang handle ang ilagay kundi ilagay din kung saang sector o kaya buong pangalan. Bakit tayo takot na malaman kung sino tayo. Basta ako inis sa lahat who deceived us at kawawa yong mga members in our sector who were brought to FFL without understanding the issues. Buti at meron ito as I am able to vent my frustration and anger in this blog site. Hanggang ngayon patuloy pa rin ang deception dito sa sector namin (West C). We are probably the most affected sector in MM unlike in the other areas where FFL is only a very negligible minority. May CLPs dito they do not declare that they are FFL. Yong mga members sabi nila sila daw ang original kasi yon ang paliwanag ng mga top leaders dito.Palagi nilang sinasabi even when they invite our couples and our YFC to their activities na pareho lang naman daw. Kahapon, I called the FFL Youth Coordinator and categorically told him to stop inviting and deceiving our YFC,at kawawa ang mga bata who are being drawn to this controversy. Sinabi ko na hindi tayo magkapareho, MAGKAIBA NA TAYO NGAYON.
mga kapatid na Anonymous, huli man daw at magaling, sana pakinggan din.nakikiisa ako sa inyo kapag sinabi nyo ang nararamdaman nyo patungkol sa pagbanggit ng mga pangalan ng umalis na sa CFC.pero paniwala ko, hindi na natin kailangan dikdikin si CD para sa pakiusap mo. hinahon lang mga kapatids.
I agree that the site has become offensive. I hope that we revert back to just presenting documents.I'd like to provide my opinion on CDs question above. I believe that whatever FFL is doing/saying that is untrue, it is our IC's responsibility to act accordingly like when they realeased a statement regarding the Pfizer issue. If there is anything that we notice is untrue, let our leaders know until it reaches our IC. Let us trust our IC. If they are silent on these matters, i strongly feel that we should be following their examples.Sana tigilan na po yung mga banana split, BP at ibang mga hirit. Sa palagay ko po ay hindi talaga nakakatulong. Salamat sa pagbasa at sa mga comments. Sana wag niyo po ako dikdikin ng mga tanong dahil binibigay ko lang po ang aking opinyon.Sa mga gustong makaalam, hindi po ako formally kasali sa kahit anong grupo but I served for 10 years kaya masakit pong makarinig ng masasamang salita galing sa magkabilang grupo lalo na at marami akong kaibigan sa parehong grupo. God bless!Ü
Tanong ni anonymous : "eh mang ernie, tanong lang sagot ka ng sagot dito sa blog tunay na CFC ka ba?...di ba umalis ka na kasama nina Urgino? bat ka nakikigulo dito?"1. This blog is free for all naman, subject only to moderation. I think we should be thankful to Ernie for joining us here, in the process giving valuable info about CFC's history. He was the first to inform us that it was Vic Gutierrez who founded CFC to debunk the perception that Frank was the founder.2. Let's have an attitude of reconciliation where we see our brethren reaching to us. Let's embrace them, rather than question. So that we are all united. For after all, it is God's plan to unite everyone under the headship of Jesus Christ.
Kapatid, AY ang nagtanong FFL yun,Bro ERNIE, I CONSIDER you BROTHER.I pray for your Condition.CFC Only
rj said:Sana tigilan na po yung mga banana split, BP at ibang mga hirit.rj, thank you for your comments. sometimes we are just injecting humor in all of the things that are happening around. but dont worry i personally do not bring this to our household meetings. its just nice to have a venue where we can vent our frustrations and feelings to the things they are saying rather than keep it to yourself. napaguusapan lang ba. your comments are welcome. thanks - jiggs
“The Dynamics of the Spiritual LifeOur emotional lives and our spiritual lives have different dynamics. The ups and downs of our emotional life depend a great deal on our past or present surroundings. We are happy, sad, angry, bored, excited, depressed, loving, caring, hateful, or vengeful because of what happened long ago or what is happening now.The ups and downs of our spiritual lives depend on our obedience - that is, our attentive listening - to the movements of the Spirit of God within us. Without this listening our spiritual life eventually becomes subject to the windswept waves of our emotions.” – Bishop Hen.N.(You need a Bishop's word of comfort and wisdom in this blog!)
While in the port of Sydney enroute to Auckland, I surfed the blog and found this fake story of a 15th Anniversary of FFL. (as i deduce from the comments here.)There must be a real story that FFL rides on, so in what Province or Country or Region is this actual 15th Anniversary to be held, or was it already held?If Palawan or whatever, I think the CFC leaders from that area should tell us the truth.
Bloggers posting from Manila or elsewhere..please write in English, per request of our foreigner CFC members abroad.
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