tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6165175175127877464.post3714492862996201209..comments2023-05-13T16:22:02.454+08:00Comments on In Defense Of The Real CFC: On Origins, the Truth, and CivilityC.D.http://www.blogger.com/profile/04754463172222104995noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6165175175127877464.post-17638114897115375412008-04-15T07:41:00.000+08:002008-04-15T07:41:00.000+08:00To Idonotagree,kapatid do you hear Tony and Roquel...To Idonotagree,kapatid do you hear Tony and Roquel claim that they are the true bearers of the charism. It is only Frank Padilla and the FFL spreading lies,that Frank if the founder of CFC. All these didcussions point to the fact that he (frank) is not the founder of CFC.This article is part of the history of CFC and LNP,its what happened.Even if you say that this article is not fair common sense tells us that Frank is not the founder CFC because it was LNP who started CFC. How do you react to FFL's claim that they are 27 years in existence diba June of 2007 lang sila nag register sa SEC(is this the truth)as people of God we should stand for the truth. Let's not be lawyers(liars)and deal with technicalities and semantics. Its plain and simple FFL and Frank Padilla's claim that he is the founder of CFC is an untruth kahit san pang court dalhin.This is clearly the work of the evil one,who is the father of all lies. To idonotagree take a stand for truth.If your discernment of truth is in agreement with FFL then go to FFL,die for the truth with them. As for me I will die for the truth here in CFC and let God judge me of the last dayAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6165175175127877464.post-19223711701590272522008-04-10T23:33:00.000+08:002008-04-10T23:33:00.000+08:00Courage, the devil is dead! Arise!The CFC “origin...Courage, the devil is dead! Arise!<BR/><BR/>The CFC “origins” in the UGNAYAN is one generation away, well within the top leaders’ lifetime. If I bring a page of it too close to my eyes, I will hardly read it; at a reasonable distance, I can! <BR/><BR/>The unfolding CFC story may be too recent for objective analysis, but if moved away by say, two or three generations (from 40 or 60 years, assuming a generational age of 20 years), we will not be confounded with “your word against mine” but dealing calmly with facts, nothing but facts. <BR/><BR/>Yes, there are paper trails, indeed. Having lived with, or been hooked in the spins of Padilla et al for 18 years, I feel great being librated and shepherded into a steady pool of cleaner, clearer water. I agree, journalistic fairness will require that Padilla’s side be heard again; but that may be passé already, because there are basic things we have simply learned and accepted here, paper trails included: the sinner from the sin, the singer from the song, the dancer from the dance. In similar context, “Nurse” said it succinctly (“Origins Pt. 2”): “...the value is not in the details of the story but in the lessons we can learn from this story.”<BR/><BR/>Que sera, sera. Any contemporary Padilla “spin” may not escape the cold assessment of history, and most certainly of the God of Truth. I recall this trivia when teaching Philippine History then: A hero of the Philippine-American War, who later became a President of the Philippines, suggested that history be kinder to him, given his contentious role in the war for independence from Spain, as he told a reporter by his deathbed, “Anak, ikaw na ang bahala sa akin sa kasaysayan....(Son, please take care of me in history”). <BR/><BR/>In my book, by UGNAYAN’s reconstruction of CFC’s correct beginnings, evil is defeated. The truth has set me free!<BR/><BR/>May we be uplifted by by this quote from an English novel: "Courage, ami, le diable est mort!" "Take courage, friend, the devil is dead!” <BR/><BR/>---------------------------<BR/><BR/>PS:<BR/>(A Confession: YET, I AM STILL AFRAID... Now that I am free, where will I go? What can allay my (and of all others' who will know the story, particularly in the CFC group where I belong) queasy feeling of having to continue referring to “stained”, nay ”bloodied” CLP manuals and teaching guides? May our Spiritual Director conduct a general exorcism? What now? Where are my IC leaders? Why the silence?<BR/><BR/>CD et al: this is my whole point about a “DYING OF ZEAL BY THAT BLIGHTED FLAME” that was lighted by Padilla. While our minds appreciate and can argue for “historical objectivity”, our hearts hunger for something else... This warrior is a lost, or else an “illegitimate” child. <BR/><BR/>Can we have the IC and LNP heads together in a Mass for a fraternal agapé, or something of the sort which can at least help coat, if not completely remove the blight and calm our hearts? I’m sorry, and please pardon this agitation, CD. I have already started feeling na... after all those years, gan’un na lang pala...and, if “Atlas shrugged”, the “Global” CFC may roll off the shoulders and start careening?! “Wait”, HE says, “be still…” <BR/><BR/>Brethren, I now firmly resolve with the help of God’s grace: Perish the thought!!! Be gone, Satan, in Jesus’ name!!! My soul, “Arise, shine out…the glory of Yahweh is rising…His glory appears. Arise!”)jonitanitayturinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09183208934383218239noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6165175175127877464.post-13824909163424579372008-04-10T12:45:00.000+08:002008-04-10T12:45:00.000+08:00To Anonymous"comment on the-A Statement of Reconci...To Anonymous<BR/><BR/>"comment on the-<BR/>A Statement of Reconciliation, Unity and Brotherhood<BR/><BR/>(Sgd) Tony Panajon <BR/> Head Coordinator <BR/>(Sgd) Frank Padilla<BR/> Director<BR/><BR/>Witnessed by:<BR/><BR/>(Sgd) Fr. Herb Schneider, S.J. <BR/>(Sgd) Rouquel Ponte<BR/>(Sgd) Tony Meloto<BR/><BR/>Question:<BR/>Why was Vic Gutierrez not included in this historical paper?<BR/><BR/>Can someone please answer..."<BR/><BR/>This article was published in the Silver Book commemorating the 25th Anniversary of CFC.<BR/><BR/>That's circa 2005 and my contact said Vic Gutierez has long retired from active office and was just a regular member of Ligaya that time. Vic was informed though of the Agreement by Tony Panahon who was the signatory and Head Coordinator of Ligaya. All others who signed were active Officers of their organization.<BR/><BR/>I hope this answers your question.<BR/><BR/>Again those have access to those individual signatories may double check the validity of this information.Erniehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06083563314986519415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6165175175127877464.post-58312370843151108742008-04-09T18:44:00.000+08:002008-04-09T18:44:00.000+08:00When my wife and I attended the CLP in 1991, we we...When my wife and I attended the CLP in 1991, we were facilitated by a couple who were members of LNP. At that time, we asked them what was LNP doing at a CLP. I clearly remembered him saying that he and his wife were doing an outreach ministry to CFC. Anyway, noon hindi ko naiintindihan yun. Later in early 1993, they bid us goodbye since they have chosen LNP over CFC. But before the actual split, there were times when he would tell us during household meetings tiny bits and pieces of what was happening. I remember very well that he and Frank had some disagreements which almost led one suing the other. Household head pa nga yata niya si Frank P. noon. Yan lang ang natatandaan ko noon. Sayang hindi ko na siya matatanong dahil pumanaw na ang household head kong ito.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6165175175127877464.post-28225266481661358542008-04-09T13:11:00.000+08:002008-04-09T13:11:00.000+08:00comment on the- A Statement of Reconciliation, Uni...comment on the- <BR/><BR/>A Statement of Reconciliation, Unity and Brotherhood<BR/><BR/>We rejoice in God leading LNP to found CFC in June of 1981 and helping it grow in its early years.<BR/><BR/>Fact established:<BR/>Ligaya founded CFC<BR/><BR/>We regret the hurts caused by the separation of LNP and CFC in 1993, and we mutually repent of whatever wrong we committed at that time, and have asked each other for forgiveness, which has been graciously extended without reservation.<BR/><BR/>Fact established:<BR/>Split was not mutual agreement, something wrong was committed.<BR/><BR/><BR/>Tony Panajon <BR/>Frank Padilla<BR/><BR/>Witnessed by:<BR/><BR/>Fr. Herb Schneider, S.J. <BR/>Rouquel Ponte<BR/>Tony Meloto<BR/>Question: <BR/>Why was Vic Gutierrez not included in this historical paper?<BR/><BR/>Can someone please answer...<BR/>Thank youAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6165175175127877464.post-42074985013599164492008-04-09T12:27:00.000+08:002008-04-09T12:27:00.000+08:00A Statement of Reconciliation, Unity and Brotherho...A Statement of Reconciliation, Unity and Brotherhood<BR/><BR/>We affirm our belief that God has raised Ang Ligaya ng Panginoon Community (LNP) and Couples for Christ (CFC) as His instruments for the work of evangelization and renewal.<BR/><BR/>We rejoice in God leading LNP to found CFC in June of 1981 and helping it grow in its early years.<BR/><BR/>We accept that God has led CFC to pursue its own mission and we rejoice in what God has done for CFC, establishing it in a global ministry officially recognized by the Holy See (Vatican).<BR/><BR/>We regret the hurts caused by the separation of LNP and CFC in 1993, and we mutually repent of whatever wrong we committed at that time, and have asked each other for forgiveness, which has been graciously extended without reservation.<BR/><BR/>We pray for healing for those who have been deeply hurt and ask the Lord to heal all wounds and in their place to plant seeds of fraternal love and renewed friendships.<BR/><BR/>We look to collaboration in activities in the future, including building communities among the poor.<BR/><BR/>But most of all, we once again embrace each other as brothers, and pray for the Lord’s outpouring of grace and blessings upon each other.<BR/><BR/>Done this 16th day of July, 2005, on the occasion of Ang Ligaya Ng Panginoon’s 30th Anniversary.<BR/><BR/>ANG LIGAYA NG PANGINOON COMMUNITY COUPLES FOR CHRIST<BR/>For the Body of Coordinators: For the CFC Council<BR/>By: By:<BR/><BR/><BR/>(Sgd) Tony Panajon (Sgd) Frank Padilla<BR/> Head Coordinator Director<BR/><BR/>Witnessed by:<BR/><BR/>(Sgd) Fr. Herb Schneider, S.J. (Sgd) Rouquel Ponte<BR/><BR/> (Sgd) Tony MelotoAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6165175175127877464.post-6763197084358682252008-04-09T11:10:00.000+08:002008-04-09T11:10:00.000+08:00thanks CD. by the way, Mickey (sleepless in nj) di...thanks CD. by the way, Mickey (sleepless in nj) didn't mention that at the time you were posting this blog, we were on the phone for an hour discussing the same thing (and some). he is a brother in Christ and so our hearts, which remains focused on Him, remain undivided even when we chose different paths to further His kingdom.<BR/><BR/>one thing I will add to this discussion is with regards to the 2005 "peace" statement with LNP. I can't find it at the moment but how does that fit into the scheme of things? doesn't that count as CFC's atonement for what happened?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6165175175127877464.post-30262862201805228992008-04-09T00:37:00.000+08:002008-04-09T00:37:00.000+08:00Ernie, You honor me with your presence here. I tr...Ernie, <BR/><BR/>You honor me with your presence here. I truly wish we could have met when you were in Manila.<BR/><BR/>Continue to fight the good fight and please know that my prayers are with you.<BR/><BR/>May you find peace in your heart and in the hearts of others,<BR/><BR/>CDC.D.https://www.blogger.com/profile/04754463172222104995noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6165175175127877464.post-20593601540626468852008-04-08T23:27:00.000+08:002008-04-08T23:27:00.000+08:00In one of my 1 on 1 with my dad, he was telling me...In one of my 1 on 1 with my dad, he was telling me that our iniquities will hunt us for 3 generations (scripture base). I didn’t believe him and thought that it was full of crap that I will inherit my fathers’ sins.<BR/><BR/>But he reminded me of my atonement on the cross. If I confess my sins and asked Jesus to renew me, I will find my grace in Christ. He continued to explain that my grace found in Christ will last for thousands of generations.<BR/><BR/>There is a debate being discussed among us whether we should “bring our past sins to light.” There is a fear to discuss such topic because it is taboo (to air dirty laundry). We are causing more problems… and it will not solve anything. I could only ask for your patience in hopes that you will understand that to some of us…. we need to confess our sins so we can find closure and healing. To some… we need to ask for forgiveness so we can be reconciled to our brothers and sisters… and to be reconcile to God.<BR/><BR/>I think it is just are culture to bury our guilt in our subconscious. But I would like to share that I find freedom in saying “I am sorry for my action (be specific).” I am not perfect that in my flaws I depend on Christ’s Grace to save me. In sharing our weakness and iniquities, we confess our sins and show the world the salvation found in Christ.<BR/><BR/>I commend those who aspire to find atonement and those who seek forgiveness (Kuya Jun, Ate Extracopy, carlos, dirtdriver, cd, IC, and many more). Instead of justifying your position (or blaming others), you had the courage to be accountable and ask for forgiveness. I am fortunate to learn from your humility and I pray that Christ will continue to teach me.Sleepless in NJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03928164567823061105noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6165175175127877464.post-91449778502727633892008-04-08T23:06:00.000+08:002008-04-08T23:06:00.000+08:00CD,Thank you for your kind words...As my brother/s...CD,<BR/>Thank you for your kind words...<BR/><BR/>As my brother/son SleeplessinNJ says "I am confident that i am in a company of educated sharers. Why am i proud to say that... cuz they can identify a spin when they see one."<BR/><BR/>I was just blessed to be in the midst when those things happened. And I'm here today just as witness to the REALITY (TRUTH) that those things happened. So we can avoid it from happening again.<BR/><BR/>It's the reader's CHOICE to see the facts or the spin and I'm confident that they can see one from a mile.<BR/><BR/>I've been saying I'm closing the thread I've started way back Sept 2007, on the History of Couples for Christ. Yet I'm continiously being drawned to it as time goes by. I have a feeling it's not for me to close it since there is Part 3 coming up, but for the Lord to tell the story through all those who have first hand information. Collectively, we as community will learn from it and do it right the third (3rd) time around.<BR/><BR/>This time we will not put the LORD in vain (SHAME the LORD). <BR/><BR/>For "Fooled me once shame on you, fooled me twice shame on me, fooled me the third time, who are we going blame?<BR/><BR/>ErnieSErniehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06083563314986519415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6165175175127877464.post-26389414078385909902008-04-08T21:49:00.000+08:002008-04-08T21:49:00.000+08:00i do not agree that this is a fair article, this i...i do not agree that this is a fair article, this is just vic's side. i wonder what is cfc's purpose? -:) where's roquel, tony and frank's version? kung hindi man si frank, kahit si roquel at tony na lang. quiet ulit? bat si frank lang ang sinisisi sa split from lnp? PAMPA (pamparami) din lang ba sila tony, roquel atbpa noon? do you think cfc is as big as now kung under pa ng lnp? you wish but i don't think so. frank had years of telling his version? so cfc was frank for the whole time? people, i think you're more on justifying cfc actions than defending the truth. i think your cfc article creates more questions than answers, hurt than healing, biased than fair. well, i'm getting used to it, welcome to the new (real) cfc!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6165175175127877464.post-92207896530701470162008-04-08T21:41:00.000+08:002008-04-08T21:41:00.000+08:00ON COLLECTIVE GUILTCD, I agree it is a BIG IF. -- ...ON COLLECTIVE GUILT<BR/><BR/>CD, I agree it is a BIG IF. -- (Hi, Agree! With you, too, Brod and Missus!) -- You said:<BR/><BR/>“Talk, tell, and let the truth speak for itself.<BR/>Then let us all forgive, heal, move on, and IF there was a collective guilt, let us atone... as the vast majority…had no idea about what went on, acknowledgment might be more important than atonement.”<BR/> <BR/>To me, Padilla’s (and his minions’) unceremonious yanking of CFC away from LNP is fraught with unspeakable truths. Whether that sinful act has infected our family renewal individually or collectively is a debatable philosophical and theological question that is perhaps better left to the appropriate ecclesiastical authorities and/or our own consciences. Nevertheless, let me personally reiterate this fearful ringing tone:<BR/> <BR/>“We were a younger couple back then. Alas, we were ‘born’ (of) ...the original sin of the so-called ‘founder’ of CFC and his cohorts … I foresee the dying of zeal amid fraternal strife by that dogged and blighted flame, an ‘Adam’s Curse’… unless all CFC is freed and redeemed from it!” <BR/> <BR/>Yep, up until the new revelations about CFC’s past, I and perhaps most of us just wanted to dwell in the PRESENT, to look at CFC’s actions NOW as, to quote CD, “...reflective enough of what it stands for and speaks for itself...” In fact, I feel it is this predisposition to focus on the here and now that has triggered an irritating response from a friend who would rather that the story of CFC's colorful past just stops with a general idea that Mr. Padilla unilaterally broke away, without any more delving into the details about the other “plotters”. <BR/><BR/>Well, it is certainly easier to “leave the past behind” if public acknowledgment or atonement exorcises the wrongful deeds of Padilla et al. <BR/> <BR/>Calling the IC. Please, let you be engaged on this. Thank you.<BR/> <BR/>“Come, O Holy Spirit, Fill the Hearts of Your Faithful...” <BR/>“COME LET US GO UP TO THE MOUNTAIN OF THE LORD...HE WILL JUDGE MANY PEOPLE... SWORDS WILL BE BEATEN INTO PLOUGHSHARES...”<BR/> <BR/>GOD BLESSjonitanitayturinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09183208934383218239noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6165175175127877464.post-1277628617999412782008-04-08T08:58:00.000+08:002008-04-08T08:58:00.000+08:00ay sorry po, pahabol lang po kasi title pala origi...ay sorry po, pahabol lang po kasi title pala origins the truth and civility. sorry po sa salitang plastic at hypocrite. nagalit misis ko sa akin.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6165175175127877464.post-57476248487874666062008-04-08T08:27:00.000+08:002008-04-08T08:27:00.000+08:00agree ako with cd.thank you to the ugnayan writers...agree ako with cd.thank you to the ugnayan writers for the 2 articles.agree ako with the other bloggers. may tanong din ako.why was the history of cfc changed? was it deliberate on the part of our leaders then? was it a conscious effort to discredit ligaya? sa palagay ko dapat buo ang kwento, ipahayag ang buong katotohanan. kung sino man ang leaders na yan, dapat magsalita na. ano ang ginawa nyo nuong araw? dapat interview ng ugnayan writers lahat ng involved kasama din si pareng frank.yes we want to know and as cfc family we will forgive, lahat tayo nagkakasala. kung tahimik lang kayo, isa lang ang ibig sabihin- mag clp kayo uli at makinig ng talk 4- repentance and faith!huwag na kayo magbigay ng talk sabi nga walk your talk, may tawag po sa mga ganyan- hypocrite. mas masakit sa tagalog- plastic.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com