tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6165175175127877464.post2696441554716559910..comments2023-05-13T16:22:02.454+08:00Comments on In Defense Of The Real CFC: Counter SpinC.D.http://www.blogger.com/profile/04754463172222104995noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6165175175127877464.post-52926947353087081762007-11-13T12:19:00.000+08:002007-11-13T12:19:00.000+08:00acc wc said... Please note of the announcement ...acc wc said...<BR/><BR/> Please note of the announcement in the newsletter of the Our Lady of Consolation Parish (Recoletos) in West C where the Metro Manila Mission Director of FFL is a parishioner. <BR/><BR/>Bro,<BR/><BR/>To what diocese does this parish belong? Is the FFL recognized as a lay faithful association in the diocese and enabled to do apostolate work like CFC? If not they may be going against the declaration made in Aug. 28 that they first seek acceptance by the bishop.<BR/><BR/>Dropping CFC from their name is certainly a good first step in the right direction. I believe it will go a long way in easing the hurts and tensions if they also drop the term "Formerly CFC". It seems to imply that CFC is either renamed or simply defunct.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05307267112419786482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6165175175127877464.post-76941289333260589622007-11-11T20:50:00.000+08:002007-11-11T20:50:00.000+08:00Please note of the announcement in the newsletter ...Please note of the announcement in the newsletter of the Our Lady of Consolation Parish (Recoletos) in West C where the Metro Manila Mission Director of FFL is a parishioner. <BR/><BR/><A>http://www.zshare.net/image/4829164955c621/</A><BR/><BR/><BR/><I><B>Christian Life Program for Couples<BR/>Sponsored by Foundation for Family & Life</I></B><BR/> <A>(formerly CFC)</A><BR/><I><B> (under Joel/Che Sison) every Saturday at 7:30PM Divine Mercy Hall</I></B><BR/><BR/>Even if I do not agree with how the announcement on the CLP for couples is worded, at least we are progressing. It would have been preferable that the words "formerly CFC" not included because it would appear that Couples for Christ has been renamed FFL. <B>Well at least in the parish where the majority of FFL are parishioners, they have now acknowledged that they are no longer part of the community of CFC. </B><BR/><BR/><A>When can we expect Mr Frank Padilla to do the same???</A>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6165175175127877464.post-3173033924103435852007-11-09T13:34:00.000+08:002007-11-09T13:34:00.000+08:00we in CFC, those who chose to remain in CFC, have ...we in CFC, those who chose to remain in CFC, have all the right to challenge the leaders of FFL to be real men.<BR/><BR/>And not just real men but to be real christian!<BR/><BR/>Either one is CFC and the other is FFL.<BR/><BR/>Legally, there is no such thing as CFC - GK or CFC - FFL.<BR/><BR/>It is just the playboys way of finding the perfect excuse so as not to get caught up with their indiscretions!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6165175175127877464.post-39588248688735960272007-11-08T21:18:00.000+08:002007-11-08T21:18:00.000+08:00Please post : From CFC Dallas memberQuitting the C...Please post : From CFC Dallas member<BR/><BR/>Quitting the Community<BR/><BR/><BR/> Some elders, when they have sharp disagreements or <BR/>conflicts with other elders, or when they feel they can no<BR/>longer cope, or when those over them decide in favor of<BR/>their opponents, or when they are removed from their<BR/>positions, decide to leave the community. That in itself is<BR/>often the wrong decision.<BR/> Disagreements among brethren in Christ can always be<BR/>resolved. First, by knowing that in every disagreement there<BR/>are often three points of view: mine, yours, and the Lord’s,<BR/>The challenge is to discover God’s way together. And this is <BR/>done through sincere, humble and respectful dialogue. But <BR/>in case their is no consensus on what the Lord would want,<BR/>then we have a second option, that of being more tolerant <BR/>of the other, of forbearing, and even of conceding. Our <BR/>unity and our brotherhood are more important than having<BR/>our own way. In any case, the community would have its<BR/>own process of resolving disagreements and preventing an<BR/>impasse. We just need to work within the system.<BR/> Unfortunately some elders decide they cannot, and<BR/>if their position is not sustained by the community, they <BR/>leave.<BR/> But what is worse is that they might take other innocent<BR/>members with them. This is a great disservice, because what<BR/>in effect they are doing is moving a community member out<BR/>of the place where he is being blessed by God, where he is <BR/>being helped to grow, where he can be of service to others.<BR/>And if he is not placed in another environment where his<BR/>spiritual life will be protected and nourished, then his very<BR/>spiritual well-being is even put under threat. All because of <BR/>the pique and selfishness of elders.<BR/> Such elders will be accountable.<BR/><BR/>From “Friend or Foe?” Fighting the enemy within. Pp 40-41<BR/>Author: QOHELETH II (a.k.a. Frank Padilla)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6165175175127877464.post-71382151755137530162007-11-08T17:42:00.000+08:002007-11-08T17:42:00.000+08:00I can only affirm Bros. Sammy's & Hector's views. ...I can only affirm Bros. Sammy's & Hector's views. <BR/>I think it is an act of helplessness that FFL's leaders are showing.The method of assuming that members will just go with the flow, obey blindly - telling members to ignore the conflict in Manila to avoid "being confused," is effective to some, but not to others, who have minds of their own & who can count 1+1 is 2. <BR/>Here in the northern part of Germany, I was told to join FFL FIRST & then decide to stay or go, after I asked to give us the freedom to choose & time to discern. They seem to be in a hurry to get members for their statistics!<BR/>Also I agree with the "inactive" friend of roundeyedtoddler, that there should be participation of members in decision-making.It is often so that some leave it to the leaders for convenience sake.<BR/>We are in one big team & thus should work together, enhancing each others talent to achieve our goals with optimum results. Therefore no room for a one-man show.<BR/>Am looking forward to Bro. Nolet's visit to hear first hand the side of CFC after having listened to Bro. Frank in Oberhausen last August.<BR/>May the Good Lord & the Holy Spirit guide & help me discern for the right one.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6165175175127877464.post-31227494054903124872007-11-08T13:10:00.000+08:002007-11-08T13:10:00.000+08:00Dear CFC Brethren,To begin with, FFL leaders' call...Dear CFC Brethren,<BR/><BR/>To begin with, FFL leaders' call for a restoration movement was a deceptive ploy to attract CFC members to their fold. The main issues were "veering away..., GK was NOT spiritual & disobedience to the bishops". Recall that on their (FFL) 2nd restoration prayer meeting in Christ the King (Greenmeadows)before August 28th, the power point guy inadvertently displayed on screen a new logo/ID, a new office location & a new foundation in the projector screen. Then, these main issues were addressed and clarified @ the August 28th meeting with the bishops. Their (FFL) next move called for a "generic" CFC and that they have the right to use the name CFC because they did NOT split. Insisting on using the name CFC but defiant to submit to the authority of the IC & EA. Proclaiming unabashedly that they (FFL) have NOT left the original body of CFC yet they (FFL leaders) tried unsuccessfully to register a new foundation (FFL). <BR/><BR/>To our brethren who were deceived and get entangled in the web of deception of the FFL, can't you see the above scenario? If you have realized just now and you are too ashamed to come back to the original CFC flock, don't hesitate to return and we will rejoice in open arms to welcome you back to the original body. <BR/><BR/>God bless us all!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6165175175127877464.post-44384827293110369502007-11-08T10:56:00.000+08:002007-11-08T10:56:00.000+08:00Dear C.D.,The reply from our brothers and sisters ...Dear C.D.,<BR/><BR/>The reply from our brothers and sisters in Germany is absolutely clear and straight to the point, at the same time generous. To classify former members who went to FFL as simply "inactive" is being generous.<BR/><BR/>Clearly, the Easter Group is hell-bent on creating constituency and their style will boomerang. It's a matter of time. Their style is an indication of the difficulties they're facing in some areas to sway members into FFL. Their lack of a clear direction akin to the IC's 7-point direction, to me, now looks <I>deliberate</I>. Once they make clear their direction, they will have less flexibility in creating justifications for their existence. That commentary is generous. The real question is, <I>do they have a direction?</I> I sincerely hope the answer is <I>YES</I> because we have brothers and sisters dear to us who have opted to join the Easter Group in FFL.<BR/><BR/>Yesterday, I was meeting a company Consultant who happened to be an "inactive" CFC. His reason for lying low was the lack of consultation done by their new Chapter Head in re-organizing their Chapter. As a community like CFC grows bigger, the participation of members in decision-making processes needs to be enhanced for the following reasons:<BR/><BR/>1. we need to <I>collectively</I> own the decision and embrace the change;<BR/>2. we need to constantly <I>train</I> prospective leaders and decision-makers; thus, one-man shows are taboo in our culture;<BR/>3. most importantly, the flame of the Spirit rests on <I>each one</I> during Pentecost, not just on the apostles--it is simply not being Christian to assume that only the leaders have the gifts of the Holy Spirit<BR/><BR/><B><I>To communicate AND cooperate are marks of a community acting as ONE.</I></B><BR/><BR/>If those who choose to stay with CFC or move to FFL did so because of their loyalty to human leaders, then they are cautioned here as a brother rebukes another. If they did so because of pride and hate, likewise they are cautioned. But if they did so out of sincere love for God and fellowman, then let each one be.<BR/><BR/>In this present case, a declaration of leaders of their loyalties without consulting their members is not an act of love for fellowmen. Even God listened to Moses and did not carry out his plan to destroy Israel and make nations out of Moses instead. Can you imagine what kind of Bible we'll have now if God and Moses both happened to have a very bad day that day?<BR/><BR/>The RoundEyed ToddlerAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6165175175127877464.post-91586264463997114832007-11-08T01:10:00.000+08:002007-11-08T01:10:00.000+08:00Ano pa kaya ang maiiharap nila sa tao?Mas Lalo na ...Ano pa kaya ang maiiharap nila sa tao?<BR/><BR/>Mas Lalo na sa Panginoon.<BR/><BR/>FFL elders and leaders continue to deceive/lie just to get their intentions.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com